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#971237 - 01/09/17 07:16 PM Sanctuary cities
RICH G
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https://www.oathkeepers.org/congressman-lou-barlettas-bill-defund-sanctuary-cities/
This bill will make its third attempt and is likely to pass this time.


http://cis.org/Sanctuary-Cities-Map
look at this map to see who will be losing all federal funding if this passes.

Counties will lose more than the cities especially the more rural ones, most cities get 50 to 60% of their operational funding from the federal government which funnels through the states mostly. If this happens cities and counties will literally have infrastructure collapses which they will not be able to overcome.

ON the OP both Jefferson and Clallam are sanctuary counties.

California is a sanctuary state and already in a bad way, if this happens, i wouldn't be headed to California unless you like poverty and chaos.

If you look at the map it pretty much shows sanctuary status exists mostly in states and districts that overwhelming vote democratic. This could be a strategic move to destroy those voter bases permanently.


Edited by RICH G (01/09/17 07:21 PM)

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#971344 - 01/11/17 11:02 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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"California is a sanctuary state and already in a bad way, if this happens, i wouldn't be headed to California unless you like poverty and chaos. "

Soooooo you define "poverty" and "chaos" thusly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California
"The economy of California is the largest in the United States" and
" The state's GSP grew 4.1% in 2015."

Sign me up for that kind of impoverishment...
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#971361 - 01/11/17 02:08 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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What I find amusing is that they call em' "sanctuary" cities. Nothing says "sanctuary" like being stuck in Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Sac-Town, Fresno, Philly, Memphis, Toledo et al.
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#971367 - 01/11/17 02:45 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: NickD90]
Jason Beezuz Offline
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Originally Posted By: NickD90
What I find amusing is that they call em' "sanctuary" cities. Nothing says "sanctuary" like being stuck in Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Sac-Town, Fresno, Philly, Memphis, Toledo et al.



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#971375 - 01/11/17 05:48 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: NickD90]
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Originally Posted By: NickD90
What I find amusing is that they call em' "sanctuary" cities. Nothing says "sanctuary" like being stuck in Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Sac-Town, Fresno, Philly, Memphis, Toledo et al.



nice list, the worst town I have been in (and I have been to all of those) was philly hands down. seattle though is getting just as sh!tty to be perfectly frank.
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#971378 - 01/11/17 05:58 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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What I find crazy, is that Anchorage is a sanctuary city.
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#971391 - 01/12/17 09:07 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Salmo g. Offline
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I could stand to be better informed. Leaning somewhat to the left as I do, I thought I generally understand bleeding heart liberalism. But honestly, I don't know what bleeding heart attributes being a sanctuary city provides. What warm fuzzy feelings does a sanctuary city get from so designating itself.

May the Dark Side Abide and make me informed.

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#971392 - 01/12/17 09:32 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Carcassman Offline
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I think it means they won't help the Feds know about any illegal/undocumented/questionable status immigrants. It is don't ask, don't tell.

In a few egregious cases, and Hank can provide more details, this has allowed people to stay in the US and then kill folks.

Like everything else political, "our" illegals are nice folks; it is "yours" that are the problem so leave us alone.

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#971393 - 01/12/17 09:46 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RICH G
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Currently sanctuary cities get all kinds of benefits with the designation like enhanced federal funding for subsidized housing, education, and all other social services.

I know a guy who is an illegal Mexican, been here for 30 years, he is married to a 400 pound white woman who is disabled due to her weight, they have a child together and own a home. They reciev approximately $110,000. Per year in federal and state subsidies, he does landscaping for $25.00 per hour under the table and has for 20 years, he runs the buisness and has one employee. The feds pay his mortgage, buy his food, pay his medical and pay for his daughters private school tuition and for her lunches and uniforms. About three years ago he had a heart attack and the medical bills amounted to $200,000. The government paid every penny of the medical costs.

He's a nice guy and all, but....

Port Townsend is thinking about designating themselves as sanctuary and one of the big reasons is the high level of ADU rental housing. Currently if a city designates itself as such they get alot of money for rent subsidies. There are no jobs but the city wants to attract cheep subsidized labor to service the wealthy people who live in the area and to fatten the cities budget on federal money.

This system has evolved under Clinton, Bush and Obama, illegals are profitable for cities, they don't stimulate the legit econemy but municipalities get alot of money for welcoming them with open arms. The printing press pays the bills. Someone is holding the bag but the debt has not been called in yet.


Edited by RICH G (01/12/17 10:06 AM)

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#971395 - 01/12/17 09:56 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Because sanctuary cities bestow all benefits entitled to US citizens to illegal aliens the number of illegal voters is off the charts. If all the illegal votes were identified and discarded Trump would have won California.

Anyone that needs to cite Wikipedia in support of their assertion that Kalifornia isn't chithole and they're flush with cash needs to pull their head out of Obongo's brown eye. It's unbelievable how detached from reality the limp wristed left really is. You can't make this chit up.
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#971397 - 01/12/17 10:10 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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If you like reasonably priced produce, you are pro-sanctuary. If the day ever comes when migrant workers can't be employed without penalty, we'll be paying $10/lb. for apples, and landscaping will become prohibitively expensive for all except the types who whine and bitch about welfare all the time.

I'll admit it bothers me that there are a lot of people permanently attached to the government teat (and a few even living better than most working folk), and I think we could stand some reform there. In terms of overall social cost, however, corporate welfare is hugely more damaging and deserving of riddance.

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#971422 - 01/12/17 07:41 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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So if a city designates itself a sanctuary city, then the federal gov't. sends buckets of money that the city can then dole out to illegal aliens? That's what you're saying? That's far fetched enough that I need some empirical evidence to corroborate that. Applicable law citations and suchlike will do. Otherwise it's just not believable.

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#971423 - 01/12/17 07:57 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: FleaFlickr02]
blackmouth Offline
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Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
If you like reasonably priced produce, you are pro-sanctuary. If the day ever comes when migrant workers can't be employed without penalty, we'll be paying $10/lb. for apples, and landscaping will become prohibitively expensive for all except the types who whine and bitch about welfare all the time.

I'll admit it bothers me that there are a lot of people permanently attached to the government teat (and a few even living better than most working folk), and I think we could stand some reform there. In terms of overall social cost, however, corporate welfare is hugely more damaging and deserving of riddance.



You are, as usual, true to form. rofl


Edited by blackmouth (01/12/17 08:06 PM)
Edit Reason: change from as always
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#971473 - 01/13/17 04:27 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Salmo g. Offline
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Thanks Hank. Now get me closer to understanding if you will. Under what federal acts or programs does US send those buckets of money to the cities, and under what programs do the cities dole it out to undocumented immigrants. Seriously, given all the possible ways gov'ts can piss money down a rathole, why does any city decide it's in its best interest (gov't always acts in its best interest, right?) to dole out loads of money to undocumented immigrants? What does a city get out of the deal?

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#971475 - 01/13/17 06:39 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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#971479 - 01/13/17 07:58 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Salmo g.]
RowVsWade Offline
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Thanks Hank. Now get me closer to understanding if you will. Under what federal acts or programs does US send those buckets of money to the cities, and under what programs do the cities dole it out to undocumented immigrants. Seriously, given all the possible ways gov'ts can piss money down a rathole, why does any city decide it's in its best interest (gov't always acts in its best interest, right?) to dole out loads of money to undocumented immigrants? What does a city get out of the deal?


Department of education
HUD
ATF
DEA
HHS
Department of agriculture
Affordable care act (lol)
Etc, Etc, Etc

What do cities get out of it? Stam answered your question partially but on top of the benefits that Stam listed the driving force is that the democrats get votes. They get re-elected by bleeding hearted fools, idiots that think the government will take care of them and improve their chitty life by taxing evil corporations and greedy rich people.
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#971484 - 01/13/17 09:43 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: RowVsWade]
Illahee Offline
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So which one are you, a corporation or the wealthy guy?

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#971485 - 01/13/17 09:48 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RICH G
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Good answer RvW!

This is a touchy subject because a large number of the illegals contribute to society,. A significant percentage of the illegals in this country are here on overstayed visas in addition to people coming over the southern boarder. The overstayed visas group who usses the sanctuary cities pretty much exclusively to stay in this country, gain employment and live in the city not having to wory about their "status". That is the group the sanctuary city status is meant to protect, not people coming from the southern boarder.

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#971492 - 01/14/17 10:01 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Like I said Stam, what does a city get out of it that would make the city want to do it? There's gotta' be some positive motive. The garbage, crap, and needles don't really cut it as a positive motive. People need a reason to do something. I'm not seeing the reason for a city yet. Still looking.

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#971497 - 01/14/17 10:23 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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The city gets money for doing nothing.



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