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#971237 - 01/09/17 07:16 PM Sanctuary cities
RICH G
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https://www.oathkeepers.org/congressman-lou-barlettas-bill-defund-sanctuary-cities/
This bill will make its third attempt and is likely to pass this time.


http://cis.org/Sanctuary-Cities-Map
look at this map to see who will be losing all federal funding if this passes.

Counties will lose more than the cities especially the more rural ones, most cities get 50 to 60% of their operational funding from the federal government which funnels through the states mostly. If this happens cities and counties will literally have infrastructure collapses which they will not be able to overcome.

ON the OP both Jefferson and Clallam are sanctuary counties.

California is a sanctuary state and already in a bad way, if this happens, i wouldn't be headed to California unless you like poverty and chaos.

If you look at the map it pretty much shows sanctuary status exists mostly in states and districts that overwhelming vote democratic. This could be a strategic move to destroy those voter bases permanently.


Edited by RICH G (01/09/17 07:21 PM)

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#971344 - 01/11/17 11:02 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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"California is a sanctuary state and already in a bad way, if this happens, i wouldn't be headed to California unless you like poverty and chaos. "

Soooooo you define "poverty" and "chaos" thusly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California
"The economy of California is the largest in the United States" and
" The state's GSP grew 4.1% in 2015."

Sign me up for that kind of impoverishment...
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#971361 - 01/11/17 02:08 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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What I find amusing is that they call em' "sanctuary" cities. Nothing says "sanctuary" like being stuck in Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Sac-Town, Fresno, Philly, Memphis, Toledo et al.
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#971367 - 01/11/17 02:45 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: NickD90]
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Originally Posted By: NickD90
What I find amusing is that they call em' "sanctuary" cities. Nothing says "sanctuary" like being stuck in Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Sac-Town, Fresno, Philly, Memphis, Toledo et al.



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#971375 - 01/11/17 05:48 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: NickD90]
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Originally Posted By: NickD90
What I find amusing is that they call em' "sanctuary" cities. Nothing says "sanctuary" like being stuck in Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Sac-Town, Fresno, Philly, Memphis, Toledo et al.



nice list, the worst town I have been in (and I have been to all of those) was philly hands down. seattle though is getting just as sh!tty to be perfectly frank.
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#971378 - 01/11/17 05:58 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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What I find crazy, is that Anchorage is a sanctuary city.
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#971391 - 01/12/17 09:07 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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I could stand to be better informed. Leaning somewhat to the left as I do, I thought I generally understand bleeding heart liberalism. But honestly, I don't know what bleeding heart attributes being a sanctuary city provides. What warm fuzzy feelings does a sanctuary city get from so designating itself.

May the Dark Side Abide and make me informed.

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#971392 - 01/12/17 09:32 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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I think it means they won't help the Feds know about any illegal/undocumented/questionable status immigrants. It is don't ask, don't tell.

In a few egregious cases, and Hank can provide more details, this has allowed people to stay in the US and then kill folks.

Like everything else political, "our" illegals are nice folks; it is "yours" that are the problem so leave us alone.

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#971393 - 01/12/17 09:46 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RICH G
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Currently sanctuary cities get all kinds of benefits with the designation like enhanced federal funding for subsidized housing, education, and all other social services.

I know a guy who is an illegal Mexican, been here for 30 years, he is married to a 400 pound white woman who is disabled due to her weight, they have a child together and own a home. They reciev approximately $110,000. Per year in federal and state subsidies, he does landscaping for $25.00 per hour under the table and has for 20 years, he runs the buisness and has one employee. The feds pay his mortgage, buy his food, pay his medical and pay for his daughters private school tuition and for her lunches and uniforms. About three years ago he had a heart attack and the medical bills amounted to $200,000. The government paid every penny of the medical costs.

He's a nice guy and all, but....

Port Townsend is thinking about designating themselves as sanctuary and one of the big reasons is the high level of ADU rental housing. Currently if a city designates itself as such they get alot of money for rent subsidies. There are no jobs but the city wants to attract cheep subsidized labor to service the wealthy people who live in the area and to fatten the cities budget on federal money.

This system has evolved under Clinton, Bush and Obama, illegals are profitable for cities, they don't stimulate the legit econemy but municipalities get alot of money for welcoming them with open arms. The printing press pays the bills. Someone is holding the bag but the debt has not been called in yet.


Edited by RICH G (01/12/17 10:06 AM)

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#971395 - 01/12/17 09:56 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Because sanctuary cities bestow all benefits entitled to US citizens to illegal aliens the number of illegal voters is off the charts. If all the illegal votes were identified and discarded Trump would have won California.

Anyone that needs to cite Wikipedia in support of their assertion that Kalifornia isn't chithole and they're flush with cash needs to pull their head out of Obongo's brown eye. It's unbelievable how detached from reality the limp wristed left really is. You can't make this chit up.
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#971397 - 01/12/17 10:10 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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If you like reasonably priced produce, you are pro-sanctuary. If the day ever comes when migrant workers can't be employed without penalty, we'll be paying $10/lb. for apples, and landscaping will become prohibitively expensive for all except the types who whine and bitch about welfare all the time.

I'll admit it bothers me that there are a lot of people permanently attached to the government teat (and a few even living better than most working folk), and I think we could stand some reform there. In terms of overall social cost, however, corporate welfare is hugely more damaging and deserving of riddance.

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#971422 - 01/12/17 07:41 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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So if a city designates itself a sanctuary city, then the federal gov't. sends buckets of money that the city can then dole out to illegal aliens? That's what you're saying? That's far fetched enough that I need some empirical evidence to corroborate that. Applicable law citations and suchlike will do. Otherwise it's just not believable.

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#971423 - 01/12/17 07:57 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
If you like reasonably priced produce, you are pro-sanctuary. If the day ever comes when migrant workers can't be employed without penalty, we'll be paying $10/lb. for apples, and landscaping will become prohibitively expensive for all except the types who whine and bitch about welfare all the time.

I'll admit it bothers me that there are a lot of people permanently attached to the government teat (and a few even living better than most working folk), and I think we could stand some reform there. In terms of overall social cost, however, corporate welfare is hugely more damaging and deserving of riddance.



You are, as usual, true to form. rofl


Edited by blackmouth (01/12/17 08:06 PM)
Edit Reason: change from as always
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#971473 - 01/13/17 04:27 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Thanks Hank. Now get me closer to understanding if you will. Under what federal acts or programs does US send those buckets of money to the cities, and under what programs do the cities dole it out to undocumented immigrants. Seriously, given all the possible ways gov'ts can piss money down a rathole, why does any city decide it's in its best interest (gov't always acts in its best interest, right?) to dole out loads of money to undocumented immigrants? What does a city get out of the deal?

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#971475 - 01/13/17 06:39 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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#971479 - 01/13/17 07:58 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Thanks Hank. Now get me closer to understanding if you will. Under what federal acts or programs does US send those buckets of money to the cities, and under what programs do the cities dole it out to undocumented immigrants. Seriously, given all the possible ways gov'ts can piss money down a rathole, why does any city decide it's in its best interest (gov't always acts in its best interest, right?) to dole out loads of money to undocumented immigrants? What does a city get out of the deal?


Department of education
HUD
ATF
DEA
HHS
Department of agriculture
Affordable care act (lol)
Etc, Etc, Etc

What do cities get out of it? Stam answered your question partially but on top of the benefits that Stam listed the driving force is that the democrats get votes. They get re-elected by bleeding hearted fools, idiots that think the government will take care of them and improve their chitty life by taxing evil corporations and greedy rich people.
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#971484 - 01/13/17 09:43 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: RowVsWade]
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So which one are you, a corporation or the wealthy guy?

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#971485 - 01/13/17 09:48 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RICH G
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Good answer RvW!

This is a touchy subject because a large number of the illegals contribute to society,. A significant percentage of the illegals in this country are here on overstayed visas in addition to people coming over the southern boarder. The overstayed visas group who usses the sanctuary cities pretty much exclusively to stay in this country, gain employment and live in the city not having to wory about their "status". That is the group the sanctuary city status is meant to protect, not people coming from the southern boarder.

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#971492 - 01/14/17 10:01 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Like I said Stam, what does a city get out of it that would make the city want to do it? There's gotta' be some positive motive. The garbage, crap, and needles don't really cut it as a positive motive. People need a reason to do something. I'm not seeing the reason for a city yet. Still looking.

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#971497 - 01/14/17 10:23 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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The city gets money for doing nothing.



Similar to members of Congress.
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#971499 - 01/14/17 10:34 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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I tend to agree with RvW; this is mostly about money the cities/states
get for managing the illegal people. They create jobs in city and state
governments (I believe Stam posted a list of a few), which the Federal
government funds through various Federal programs.

The whole situation sucks, to be honest. Illegal people have been coming
into the country for decades, but it's now at a point that the American
people can no longer afford to support them, educate their children and
pay their medical bills.

Most of these individuals are good people looking for a better life.
Sad part is, they went about it in the wrong way. No matter if you call it karma,
balancing the scales of life, or justice, sooner or later the piper needs to be paid.

It'll take Trump 4 years just to get out the criminals, so I don't think the vast
majority of illegals are in much danger for a while.





Edited by GoldDigger (01/14/17 10:36 AM)

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#971509 - 01/14/17 12:40 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Salmo, at the risk of sounding like a smartass, look at the leaders in (say) WDFW-but there re many to choose from. Are they interested in making the resources better, offering better harvest/interaction experiances, developing staff or are they interested in balancing budgets, controlling money, and so on.

I suspect that, at the top, the primary concern is economic survival of the organization. If that means turning a blind eye to undocumenteds because they bring in more Federal money then so be it. More money is always better. That, sadly, seems to be the Gubmint Business Model of today.

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#971519 - 01/14/17 05:52 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Carcassman, no worries; I don't think that's smartass at all. I'm familiar with the literature (quite old actually) that job number one of a bureaucracy is to "grow the empire." The guy at the top increases his influence and wealth by overseeing a larger agency (empire). However, I'm not seeing the "good fit" where a city, or its leaders, movers and shakers, benefit by the sanctuary designation. Improving and expanding city infrastructure supports larger local gov't. departments. When the various departments grow, thereby expanding their influence and wealth, the city learders at the top of the pyramid grow their influence and wealth even more.

From what little I'm getting on this, being a sanctuary city may attract more immigrants to a city because of the benefits to illegals, the city doles out this elusive federal money people are talking about, but not identifying a single federal law or program that facilitates this, for social services to immigrants allegedly in the form of housing, medical services, and education. I want to know exactly what federal funds are being funneled. So far no one here on the DS is willing or able to ID the legal pathway that is this alleged funnel.

I think a city benefits more by funding infrastructure. Infrastructure attracts business, industry, and people, who end up paying taxes to the local, state, and federal gov'ts., feeding the machine, as it were, and feeding the egos and wealth of those at the top. Intrinsically that makes ever so much more sense than pissing away money on people who contribute few benefits and may actually be a financial drain on the city. See what I mean?

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#971597 - 01/16/17 04:54 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
What warm fuzzy feelings does a sanctuary city get from so designating itself.


By Identifying itself as Santuary City or County, the people behind such actions believe that they have shown that they are, warm and fuzzy, they believe that they are showing that they are the champions of the poor and underprivilidged and that they are protecting the illegals from those cruel citizens who believe in borders and the rule of law.

Now, what monitary benefits a city might accrue is a much shadier subject, and much in flux because it has so much to do with law enforcement, which the Obama administration has shown little will to use in this matter. In 2011 a Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) report stated that a whopping 70 percent of illegal-immigrant households with children receive handouts via a government program.

As a result of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, states are required to provide K-12 public education for students without legal immigrant status.

Also "Typically, any proof an illegal alien provides as evidence of legal status, regardless of its fraudulent nature, will satisfy social services agencies that determine the person's benefit eligibility because an intake clerk simply cannot make the determination that someone is an illegal alien. Therefore, the law is usually overlooked and illegal aliens manage to qualify for state and local benefits."

Illegals also contribute to a demographic shift which we have been experiencing which favors the Liberal/Democrat party, you know the warm and fuzzy bunch, the champions of the illegal alliens who are now beholding of them.

Illegals also receive food benifits and HERE is how.

These are but a few examples many more are available with a minimal amount of research.
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#971624 - 01/17/17 09:10 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Thanks Blackmouth. OK, that makes sense in terms of how some illegals obtain benefits. I still don't get why a city or county designates itself a sanctuary. It doesn't make sense. Guess I'm a liberal without the bleeding heart.

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#971625 - 01/17/17 11:14 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Salmo,

They go to work and endure payroll taxes like the rest of us who work. The Gov then takes some of that money and pays your pension and social security.

Bonus. Illegals pay in but don't take out.

Thus the pyramid scheme survives a wee little bit longer. We need them to prop up the top half of the pyramid.

Works great as long as there is job and wage growth but as you noted in your future thread that paradigm ain't gonna last much longer.
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#971674 - 01/18/17 08:30 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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BB,

Agreed, illegals who work and pay taxes help subsidize the system. Still doesn't explain how sanctuary city status makes any sense tho.

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#971684 - 01/18/17 11:39 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Maybe it just "feels good" to tell the Tea Party to **ck off.

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#971685 - 01/18/17 12:23 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
BB,

Agreed, illegals who work and pay taxes help subsidize the system. Still doesn't explain how sanctuary city status makes any sense tho.


Viewing you as a liberal, through my conservative eyes, I find that 'thought' hilarious.
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#971687 - 01/18/17 12:29 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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All I was saying was be careful what you wish for, and don't expect anything to get better for you IF any headway is made toward deporting illegal aliens because of this xenophobic red herring conservatives are using to take your eyes off what they're doing to you on Wall Street. Your taxes will not go down, and the cost of essential products (like FOOD) will rise sharply (or else farm subsidies will be increased to pay the increased labor costs; consumers/taxpayers lose, either way). I don't think any of us will make or break our retirements on our individual, financial responsibility for entitlement programs, and I propose we shift our witch hunt to the halls of Congress, where it might actually gain us something.

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#971694 - 01/18/17 04:44 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
All I was saying was be careful what you wish for, and don't expect anything to get better for you IF any headway is made toward deporting illegal aliens because of this xenophobic red herring conservatives are using to take your eyes off what they're doing to you on Wall Street. Your taxes will not go down, and the cost of essential products (like FOOD) will rise sharply (or else farm subsidies will be increased to pay the increased labor costs; consumers/taxpayers lose, either way). I don't think any of us will make or break our retirements on our individual, financial responsibility for entitlement programs, and I propose we shift our witch hunt to the halls of Congress, where it might actually gain us something.


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#971699 - 01/18/17 07:00 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
All I was saying was be careful what you wish for, and don't expect anything to get better for you IF any headway is made toward deporting illegal aliens because of this xenophobic red herring conservatives are using to take your eyes off what they're doing to you on Wall Street. Your taxes will not go down, and the cost of essential products (like FOOD) will rise sharply (or else farm subsidies will be increased to pay the increased labor costs; consumers/taxpayers lose, either way). I don't think any of us will make or break our retirements on our individual, financial responsibility for entitlement programs, and I propose we shift our witch hunt to the halls of Congress, where it might actually gain us something.

Flea is going Rich rogue on us.
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#971732 - 01/19/17 08:21 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Not going anywhere, Duc. I've been crazy for many years now. A fruitcake is less nutty.

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#971734 - 01/19/17 08:29 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
BB,

Agreed, illegals who work and pay taxes help subsidize the system. Still doesn't explain how sanctuary city status makes any sense tho.


Viewing you as a liberal, through my conservative eyes, I find that 'thought' hilarious.


Extremists, whether liberal or conservative, wear glasses that allow them to see only black or white, missing everything in between. So of course a liberal trying to make sense of something would be hilarious to you. It's unfortunate your critical thinking skills are so stunted.

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#971738 - 01/19/17 09:31 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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What Salmo is saying is that you're a dumbfuck, blackmouth.
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#971747 - 01/19/17 10:59 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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What do sanctuary cities get? If the answers to that question still don't make sense (to a critical thinking liberal WTF that is) then wait and see what sanctuary cities DON'T get under President Trump. What they won't get should answer the question about what they got.
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#971756 - 01/19/17 12:56 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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If this legislation passes under Trump, sanctuary designated states, counties and cities infrastructure will suffer total colapse if the don't conform to the legislation. No question about it, with the current way things are done they would loose 50+% of their total opportating budget, there would be no way for them to makeup that huge of a shortfall.

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#971759 - 01/19/17 01:02 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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I prefer "Illegal trespassers". wink All of them that are here illegally with criminal records should be deported...end of story. Any drug smugglers at the borders should be shot on site, including the Human smugglers. AKA Coyotes.You think the recidivism rate would decrease?

One can dream.


Edited by Sol Duc (01/19/17 01:05 PM)
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#971760 - 01/19/17 01:02 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Actions should have consequences.....

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#971761 - 01/19/17 01:02 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
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Just in DOT funds alone Mason county recieved about 11,000,000.00 in 2007 which was more than 1\3 of their total budget. Mason is not designated a sanctuary county but I'm just giving an example. DOT funds are matched dollar for dollar, every dollar the state puts in gets matched by the feds but those funds are used for many things other than roads.

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#971777 - 01/19/17 02:24 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Extremists, whether liberal or conservative, wear glasses that allow them to see only black or white, missing everything in between. So of course a liberal trying to make sense of something would be hilarious to you. It's unfortunate your critical thinking skills are so stunted.

Now, coming from you, that is a hoot.

Have you ever looked in a mirror?





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#971778 - 01/19/17 03:11 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Salmo g.]
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It is a perilous path that I walk when I tell you that people who know me consider me to be problem solver, but that is how that I have earned my keep.

I cut my teeth on critical thinking, and to the best of my ability I am a honest delibator of information, because I made my living buiding and repairing machines which unlike you, have no pretences. Now I do admit that I have not had a government job since since returning from Vietnam,so perhaps my perspective is slanted, however I have feed many of your ilk.

I have been taxed, and regulated to the point that the value of my business was destroyed. I am now sick and tired of being told that I can do this and not that, and when you tell me that I am lacking in critical thinking skills, it makes me think that you deserve a dope slap.
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#971788 - 01/19/17 04:50 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: blackmouth]
Sol Duc Offline
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Blackmouth, you have always come across to me as being respectful and articulate at the same time. Keep on keeping on. beer
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#971789 - 01/19/17 04:57 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
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Get a room.
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#971797 - 01/19/17 06:58 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Hankster
By law, the only federal funding that can be cut is funding or grants for LE, prisons and jails.

No federal funding for infrastructure, social services, healthcare or education can be cut unless the laws are changed.





That's not what I read on Breitbart, or InfoWars.

That's fake news, Hank. Why do you hate 'Merica?

Fish on...

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#971804 - 01/19/17 08:39 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RICH G
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If this new legislation gets passed all funding will be cut.

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#971812 - 01/19/17 11:01 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Law and order will be restored shortly......believe that. applause
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#971814 - 01/20/17 01:00 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Sol Duc]
Keta Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 03/05/00
Posts: 1083
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Law and order will be restored shortly......believe that. applause


What are they going to do? Arrest themselves?

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#971821 - 01/20/17 08:58 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
My Area code makes me cooler than you

Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4565
The only outdoor sanctuary left in this nation is Alaska.

If I was them I would lock the door.

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#971854 - 01/20/17 05:36 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Keta]
Sol Duc Offline
April Fool

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Originally Posted By: Keta
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Law and order will be restored shortly......believe that. applause


What are they going to do? Arrest themselves?

No, I.C.E will have authority like it should have. Get it ?
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#971857 - 01/20/17 08:53 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RowVsWade Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 3359
Loc: Island Time
Originally Posted By: stam
Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0

If I was them I would lock the door.



Good idea, send the bums to Fairbanks, make bumsicles out of them...then lock the door.


They've taken over Los Anchorage but that's about 2 hours from Alaska.
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#971863 - 01/21/17 11:41 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
GoldDigger Offline
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Registered: 02/02/15
Posts: 319
Originally Posted By: Banned User
Originally Posted By: RICH G
If this new legislation gets passed all funding will be cut.


Will this happen before tuesday, or after Pizzagate ?
Always forget to ask you, whatever happened to Jade Helm, and that Ww3 over in Turkey.....and the crashing of the world after that New currency ?

Oh yeah, nothing.

Nevermind


Could be he's using the old "throw a ton of $hit at the wall, and sooner or later somethings going to stick" trick.

Remember, even a blind Sasquatch finds a gnome once in a while.. moose


Edited by GoldDigger (01/21/17 11:42 AM)

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#972060 - 01/25/17 07:09 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RICH G
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Well he did it,,, now watch the games begin and states like this one start to crumble. Murry and Inslee say they will make up the shortcoming be squeezing the tax payers alot more than they already are. See how well that works out for them. I predict they will be out of jobs next time their positions come up for re election. As quick as a snap of the fingers and half the money is gone.

They say they will file lawsuits to get the funding back. So their argument will be what? Harboring illegal aliens is a felony crime under USC title 18. Giving an alien a job or shelter is a felony crime under USC title 18. There is no remedy accept to conform or watch your jurisdiction crumble.

How much money does this state get from the EPA? That's gone too on another executive order from the day before...

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#972066 - 01/25/17 07:53 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
April Fool

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
That flaming peter puffer Seattle mayor makes me want to puke. So glad to get out of King county. All three major counties in greater Seattle car tabs will triple because of the 54 billion dollar Sound transit bill that was passed...not to mention sales tax hike. crazy
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#972079 - 01/26/17 08:38 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
RICH G
Unregistered


Don't get me going on transit, county transit systems cost millions to give a few dial a rides a day, I'm talking more rural counties. I bet it costs literally hundreds of dollars per ride to subsidize these systems infrastructures.

Most people have no idea the ramifications this sanctuary city thing. Trump is not just gonna cut criminal justice funds and the bill in the house calls for cutting of every penny of federal funding. Every jurisdiction on the west coast and east coast and every big city in this country is addicted and dependant on federal money and cannot function without it.

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#972103 - 01/26/17 02:57 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
April Fool

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
First of all,there is no place to park. The park and rides are now going to start charging to park there. You can't win for sh!t.


Edited by Sol Duc (01/26/17 02:59 PM)
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#972130 - 01/26/17 09:48 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
NickD90 Offline
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Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 7204
Loc: Snohomish, WA
Build a fake wall.
Protestors mass on the fake wall.
Build the real wall behind the protestors.
The protestors now Mexico's problem.
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#972134 - 01/26/17 10:18 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: NickD90]
Sol Duc Offline
April Fool

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
25 mile wide DMZ.
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#972151 - 01/27/17 10:30 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Sol Duc]
grumpyr Offline
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Registered: 10/14/99
Posts: 379
Loc: Orygun
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
DMZ


I see what you did there
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#972158 - 01/27/17 11:25 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
The Trumpster Offline
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Registered: 09/02/15
Posts: 294
Loc: Soon to be in the White House
Miami-Dade mayor drops sanctuary city policy. Anybody else getting tired of winning?
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#972164 - 01/27/17 01:38 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Bucket/Good Sport Offline
Kitsap's Crankiest Contractor

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 2268
Loc: Poulsbo
Originally Posted By: RICH G
Well he did it,,, now watch the games begin and states like this one start to crumble. Murry and Inslee say they will make up the shortcoming be squeezing the tax payers alot more than they already are. See how well that works out for them. I predict they will be out of jobs next time their positions come up for re election. As quick as a snap of the fingers and half the money is gone.


Those two POS's need to try a real job---doubt they'd last
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#972195 - 01/28/17 08:08 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Bucket/Good Sport]
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Registered: 10/13/00
Posts: 9013
Loc: everett
Originally Posted By: Bucket/Good Sport
Originally Posted By: RICH G
Well he did it,,, now watch the games begin and states like this one start to crumble. Murry and Inslee say they will make up the shortcoming be squeezing the tax payers alot more than they already are. See how well that works out for them. I predict they will be out of jobs next time their positions come up for re election. As quick as a snap of the fingers and half the money is gone.


Those two POS's need to try a real job---doubt they'd last


You mean a job where you are accountable for results?
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#972196 - 01/28/17 11:13 AM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: ]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7657
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
They are accountable to the voters. If they don't meet the voters' expectations, they lose. Unless the opposition runs a real idiot. But, Inslee satisfied more than half the state's voters so he was accountable to them.

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#972222 - 01/29/17 01:38 PM Re: Sanctuary cities [Re: Carcassman]
blackmouth Offline
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Registered: 11/05/04
Posts: 2572
Loc: right place/wrong time
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
They are accountable to the
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voters
. If they don't meet the voters children who are unable to take care of themselves expectations, they lose. Unless the opposition runs a real idiot. But, Inslee satisfied more than half the state's voters so he was accountable to them.
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