A career pawn shop operator criticizing another business and it’s supply chain and customer base (one that he’s long been apart of) is pretty fuckin funny.

Shouldn’t you be working or are you still living at home while your mom dates your friends and pays your bills.

It’s always the losers that become democrats and your lack of comprehension along with your long list of failures in life indicate you could make a great “pink knitted hat” wearer.lol

Now go bus some tables and refill the water glasses...

I’d appreciate it if you could at least speak English in your weak attempt at insults but School was never your strong suit. Have you finished your GED yet? It’s obvious but not surprising that you’re out of the loop. I sold the shop 5 years ago and in semi retirement have been busy building my house and business in Alaska.

My oldest just got home from the Marine Corps, my middle son is high honor roll and starting varsity QB and my wife and I just got back from Vegas last night where I did great at the tables. We had great food and a nice trip. I picked up a couple more trucks to take up to our place in Alaska and another rifle. I’ll be heading north with those trucks and 2 more boats, a Duckworth and a Boston Whaler Montauk. Life has been good to me and it’s not by mistake.

I know that you’ll continue to struggle in life and you’ll continue to fail, it’s your upbringing that’s a hurdle you’ll never overcome.

RvW seems upset.

He is. Did I miss the part where someone asked about his vacation? Lol

Your Big Stick impersonation is coming along nicely.

You're never going to get there, but I can see you've been working on it.

Kudos for the effort anyway.

Congratulations?

It almost seems as if you are saying that any person who has a disagreement with the policy to close extremely large areas of land to access by motorized vehicles for off road travel by simple decree doesn't give a care about tortoises. That would be a very simplistic deduction.




While your second quote is generally correct it is also extremely simplistic. I say that it is simplistic because I have the same disagreement with your second quote as I do your first.
Should these limits/controls be placed upon a population by simple decree from one man? Frankly I do not see that as an acceptable way to handle the situation. Who is to protect the population from an ellected zealot?

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely" Lord Acton

In both examples I was presenting a conflict between a use and preservation. Biologically, the tortoise population, or any organism, needs a certain area to support a self-sustaining non-inbreeding population. At some point with the tortoises there needs to be a line drawn, if they are to survive. Society has to decide where that line is and how large it is.

Same with human population. The earth has an (approximate) absolute limit of humans. The more people, the fewer free-living natural resources. Those magnificent million-plus bison herds on the Great Plains are doing just fine, right? Society, as a whole, will need to decide on how many people there will be. I am certainly not suggesting that a single person should make that decision.

It seems to me that jumping to solutions such as lock up zillions of acres for a turtle, limit humans to a population of X is a really neat deflection to get away from dealing with the question of just how we wish to share the planet in the future. There is no one answer stat than if we do not decide, we have decided to wipe it all out.

+1

Usually the closing of land is a result of big business coming in and closing off land OR people abusing the privilege. People use those lands and don't follow the rules, litter, beat the sh!t out of them and so on. It's a problem in every state. Years ago land owners were pretty good about letting people use their land for recreation but they can only take so many beer cans, fires, trash, and general abuse. I can name many places in this state where land owners just gave up and closed off their property and it's hard to blame them. Trump as his band of fvckups have a slash and burn mentality without regard for anything but money. (And porn stars.)

What's it like to have absolutely no clue? To be so far out of it that your reality parallels that of Rich G? I suppose you think gold will hit a million dollars and ounce right? If intelligence was a requirement of life you wouldn't be on this planet.

Sounds like you got your education at Trump University. Did you get your money back because you obviously have never in your life learned a thing! I hope you get off every time you step on your big truck's gas pedal. I know a lot of guys who can't get it up unless they're stepping on the pedal. That's usually because they couldn't get a toothless meth head ho to fvck them. Speaking of the voting booth, you better vote for your boy Trump in the next election (unless of course you're a felon which is probable) because every environmental change he's made will be reversed when he's in prison.

I purchased a nice new backpack and some other gear at REI yesterday. It’s been on my list for a while, hiking upper Quinault this summer. I was going to buy it mostly online but thought I’d offset RvW’s cuntiness and pick it up at REI.

I agree.


"With the new designations, Obama has established or expanded 19 national monuments for a total of more than 260 million acres of public lands and waters, more than any previous president. The Basin and Range monument alone, at more than 1,000 square miles, is nearly the size of Rhode Island." Source, The Washington Post

I would say the above is action coming from the decision of one man.



The above statement troubles and confuses me. As I don't really know what you mean. I don't think that government should forcibly control human population, and I also don't believe that the amount of protected lands should be unlimited, or static. I suppose that possibly we are close to agreeing, but I believe that I would be more conservative in my approach to closing land to to all of its possible and past public uses than some would.

It all depends on what you want off the land. If you want lumber, minerals, off-road driving, no large mammalian predators ('cept humans), recreation cabins, water-ski lakes, and a host of other developed uses that's fine.

If one is old enough, they can remember when they (for example) off-roaded way back into the back country with no discernible damage or change to the land. Now, 100 people doing that will tear it apart. Deer season in CA, when I was there, was about 4 months long (rifle) and I could go pretty much anywhere in the state. Not now. More hunters, less land and deer.

We could allow, for example, ORV in the desert, to (say) 10 people a year chosen by drawing. That would not go over well with anybody as we seem to want all or nothing at either end of the spectrum.