Marcia,

Take a deep breath and look over at the thread "Poor Chum returns" these fish are not and have not been influenced for many years by any hatchery fish, or harvest in 20 years and yet they decline.

This year we are fishing on adult chinook that came from a 2004 spawn. Do any of you remember how awesome that was. I do, up and down the coast. Those massive returns put out some serious wild chinook smolts in tons of rivers. Yet this is the pathetic returns we get from one of the best spawns in a long time. How did the hatchery fall chinook program do that to an entire region? it didn't.