I'm not trying to push any hatchery fish on anyone. I'm trying to find a run of fish without hatchery interfierence that is improving and not declining. This way we can determine what makes those fish increase in numbers and others decline. The only problem is that they appear to be declining or increasing accross the board. Which suggests it must be a problem that all fish share in common. Which must be the Ocean. if habitat were an issue, we would surely see a river with great habitat outperform these ones with poor habitat. Only problem is they are not following that pattern.