Thanks for the info on the flies. I'm no good at tying small flies,but when they start to get bigger I seem to do all right. Squeeler about what. I don't know what your talking about Zen. Heh Heh Heh. My lips are sealed. TM As you asked in the other thread about lakes in my area. No I haven't fished many of them as I said before that I don't fish lakes but I'm willing to learn how. I've tried a few locally and I got my eye on a few in my area that I going to try when the season opens. Jim S.