Who would you rather have running the country right now? Two choices.


I want only the people who say "Clinton" on this poll to post any thoughts. That way I know whos posts to ignore later on. I figure this is the easiest way of finding out who i dont like.

How could anyone in their right mind not prefer Clinton over bush.

I'm in my right mind and thank God daily that Bush is the president in these difficult times. It might have something to do with all the times Clinton let our countrymen die in terrorist attacks, then didn't do anything until he needed a distraction (anyone remember when he bombed Afghanistan and Sudan....)

Right on Vic,

President Bush restored dignity and respect to the White House.

Clinton, without hesitation. Far better politician (read: words can be more powerful than punches), much better handle (hell, any handle) on the economy, and the man loved the womenz. What more can you ask for? Besides, the man did not flat-out terrify me.

So there. I don't like you either. Na-na-na-na-na.

Tight lines all the same

Back Eddy

Good poll.....no surprises to me.....
(I removed my comment...it was tough, but I did it)
Let's fish now.

what Vic said...

Bush. Easy.

I really didn't care for any of Clinton's policies. Plus, the fact that you couldn't believe anything he said really turned me off.

Wow

I am surprised that any true fisherman that really cares about the resources would vote in favor of Bush. He has almost backed out every policy Clinton had to protect the environment. No one man is going to please everyone but I would have to say Clinton was the lesser of the two evils. Although every time I hear the word Brady Bill I almost change my mind.

BBVD - As you get older and wiser you will realize that ones political outlook is a very poor basis to determine their worth as a friend. I think George W. Bush is one of the worst Presidents in my lifetime. Now, if I chose my friends based upon only those folks that agreed with me, I would have an awfully short list of friends - I do indeed believe the polls that say the President's approval rating is up above 70 or 80%. The beauty of living in an open and free society is that there is at least 4 sides to any question!! I salute your passion but you may want to temper that passion by trying to look into peoples hearts, not how they vote. My 2 cents.

Clinton sucks.................enough said

Bill clinton was in no way ever concerned about the enviroment. that was gores pet project. Clintons concern with the enviroment was how many votes he could squeeze out of the green party. How any fisherman or hunter could back bill clinton or that crazy gore is beyond me. Gore and peta and the seirra club want to out law guns, fishing, hunting, motor boats, hatcheries and yes even fly fishing. The goal of the enviromental movement is to stop any one but them from going in to the enviroment. Al (what money from what preist) gore wants to give control of all are national parks to the un. dont laugh many nations already have. check national geographic artical on vetinam national parks. peta has already stopped hunting in some state parks and is now going after fishing in state parks. how anyone can before the one side view point of how to control are wildland is beyond me. many of the laws and regulations struck down by bush were done so becouse they were wrong and destrutive. How much of are forest must we let burn before the left will amitt that selective cutting is needed in order to maintane a healthy and productive forest. I go to bcc collage and rececived extra credit to attend a speach on the enviroment. it turned out to be a political action meeting complete with phone #s emails and faxes of congress men to call and a little printed speach to read to them. the pictures that they showed of the destrutive forest practices where all 40 years old.. I have seen these same pictures a million time over the last 30 years. The facts they quated where all from old report and only from eniromental groups. I was embaressed not only for the guy giving the talk but for the saps that were buying it. the enviroment is a managable renewable resouse and should be traeated as such. we can not have commerical and sport fishing with out hatcheries. becouse we have had poor managment and bad ideas on how to run hatchiers is no reason to close them. The serria club and washinton trout want them closed so they can list the salmon as endagered so we can not fish. its sounds silly but thats the truth. any one who buys in to the wild vs hatchery bull is leading tham selfs by the nose in to a wold with out fishing.
try this idea. if hactchery fish are becoming a different breed becouse we only breed hatchary returns , then why not only use wild stock every year in are breeding programs. sound like that would do away with the gene drift. like I said just becouse we dont do the best job now deos not mean we cant do the best tomorrow.

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I prefer a president that actually knows what continent most countires are located on, can complete a sentence and does not want to trash the environment just to keep his big oil buddies happy.

Actually, Clinton and Bush had a lot in common. Clinton smoked dope. Bush is an alcoholic who used cocaine. Clinton dodged the draft. Bush got his daddy to find him a slot in the guard, then disappeared for six months. A huge diffrence was that Clinton was a Rhoades scholar, while the shrub openly brags about his mediocre grades and makes fun of "intellectuals".

Bush is opposed to affirmative action, but gained admittance to Yale solely on his daddys influence. He would have never been admitted on his grades. Who was most honest? Here's a list of Bush Jr. campaing promises vs what he actually did.

http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

I beleive that a persons worth as a friend has very little to do with theri beliefs. My best friend is a vary right wing conservative . We get along fine. We respect the others views. I certainly would never exclude a person as a friend based upon their politics. But I sure would avoid someone who thinks that all their friends must beleive the same as they do.

So why are we having this conversation ? Bush is the President and Clinton isn't.

I think maybe it's time to get used to it and worry about the next election rather than past Presidents.

The real funny part is that everybody has an opinion on this President or that one, yet only 50-60% of the population actually votes.

eddie, eddie ,eddie .... and to think I bought lunch...I guess your point is well taken though we didn't even mention politics OR religion...but I do have to add one thing about your comment: You forgot Jimmy Carter when you were keeping score.

Gawd, I wish people would get off this "Bash Clinton" kick. I guess it makes you feel like "one of the gang." Try forming an original, informed opinion for a change.

He's already going down in history as the biggest scapegoat of all time. But at least when he was in office I actually had a retirement fund I could count on. Had a hell of a lot more money in the bank then, too.

Personally, I couldn't care any less who has sex with whom in the White House. And who can name me a presidential administration that hasn't lied to the public in the last 100 years? Hell, ANY politician for that matter. They're all going to tell you whatever you want to hear.

You know, I only thought you were immature and ill informed, but when you type stuff like that you remove all doubt.

Go ahead and move me to the top of your "Don't Like" and "Ignore" list; I wouldn't say anything you'd understand anyway.

[/QUOTE]You know, I only thought you were immature and ill informed, but when you type stuff like that you remove all doubt.

Go ahead and move me to the top of your "Don't Like" and "Ignore" list; I wouldn't say anything you'd understand anyway. [/QB][/QUOTE]

HE is immature??? You know how to tell a REALLY smart person goharley? He's the one who realizes how LITTLE he actually knows. Its funny how those that claim to be such "free thinkers" seem to think their own ideas are so well thought out, yet those who oppose them are all sheep. As if to be introspective you must be in the minority on a political topic. Its really kind of cute if you think about it.... But then again, what do I know?

Many things about Clinton I didn't personally care for at all. But his total disregard for how the public viewed the Office he held astounded me. Half the things he 'pulled' would get you fired from your job just for thinking of doing them. And as an Atty. lieing to a Federal Judge? "Depends upon what your definition of 'is,' is?"

If you pulled that stunt, high probability you'd spend a few nights in the 'gray bar hotel.' But then again, your not the President.

Many things about Clinton I didn't personally care for at all. But his total disregard for how the public viewed the Office he held astounded me. Half the things he 'pulled' would get you fired from your job just for thinking of doing them. And as an Atty. lieing to a Federal Judge? "Depends upon what your definition of 'is,' is?"

If you pulled that stunt, high probability you'd spend a few nights in the 'gray bar hotel.' But then again, you're not the President.

Grandpa - And lunch tasted good too - thanks. It inspired me to call KVI and call them fascist pigs !!! :p Actually, I have done somewhat of an interesting exercise. I listed all of the presidents since Ike (my lifetime) and rated them on my perceived sense of their morality and my perceived sense of their effectiveness as President. I then gave them a combined score. This raised Jimmy Carter up (good man morally) and raised Bill Clinton up (good job as President). I did this prior to replying to BBVD's post so that when I stated that GW is one of the worst in my lifetime, it came from somewhere other than my a$$. What I found out was that out of a total possible score of 8, no President scored more than 6 or less than 4. And yes, GW Bush scored a 4 (along with Lyndon Johnson) and Bill Clinton scored a 6 (along with Eisenhower, Kennedy, and George Bush I) The rest - Nixon, Ford, Carter, & Reagan scored a 5. Now, admittedly, I really don't know about the moral characteristics of these men and my judgement of their strength as President is truly subjective. However, it was interesting that both parties were represented at every score. I don't know if that means I have no courage of conviction or if it means that I have matured to the point that I no longer see politics as black and white - just the many shades of gray!!! And thanks again for lunch, I will buy next time. It was great to see you again.

eddie ...I applaud your well thought out posts and your ability to not get sucked in to the tar pits of personal mud slinging...it is hard to resist on PP...Can't totally agree with your politics but it is the friendship and the fishing that counts. Keep releasing those wild fish!

Aunty;
Over 18 - it's none of my business.
Under 18 - that's statutory rape and illegal.

elkrun judging from your past threads, not a whole lot but useless crap.
and to think you're a teacher, whoa

clinton because he was elected not appointed by the supreme court and even when he was laying he wouldn't talk out of the side of his mouth

clinton because he was elected not appointed by the supreme court and even when he was laying he wouldn't talk out of the side of his mouth

I have to agree with Lead Thrower and Harley. I don't see how anyone who truly cares about the environment could vote for Bush. He has done all that he can do do away with laws protecting our clean air, water, and fish and wildlife habitat. What he allowed in the Klamath Basin alone was unreal....more than 30k salmon killed! It's very clear that he works for his personal agenda and campaign supporters mainly the oil industry, logging, farming, etc. He signed in the largest farm bill in history and is abolishing environmental laws that were put in place by the Carter Administration.

When Bush took office we were out of debt for the first time in decades. In two years, he had us back into a record-setting debt. In the small town I live in business' are dropping like flies, people simply aren't making it because of our economy. I haven't made a dollar on my retirement since the day he took office. I hope he isn't reelected.

RM

larryb,

to say bush was appointed by the supreme court is just more liberal spin...the only thing the US supreme court did was prevent the Florida supreme court from overstepping its jurisdiction.

the Florida state constitution sends close elections to the state legislature for a tie breaking vote, gore didnt want to have that since the FL legislature had a republican majority, he knew he wouldnt have a chance there. so he tried to sidestep the FL constitution and went to the FL supreme court to get another recount...3 recounts later with 3 different creative ways of counting hanging, dented chads (and gore still losing after every recount) the US supreme court finally stopped that nonsense.

yes, it was close in Florida. and yes, i thank God gore lost!!

its sad that some people still cant let go and get on with their lives.

some of you guys really need to get outside and relax...and catch some fish!!

Personally I wouldnt want a guy leading me... Who am I to trust him if his wife cant?

You really want someone who you dont trust to lead you?

I do admit, I only know what I hear, and even then, some is speculative.... but combine that with common sense, and I know enough. I know who I'd rather have.

BP-
You have a thing about teachers dont you? I remember something you typed before about "running some teacher out of town, and their queer that way??" (didn't make sense in your post either...) I wanted to comment then, but I wrote it off to ignorance. I'm not sure how my previous posts have anything to do with teaching mathematics, but somehow you made that inference. To each his own I guess. I'll be sure to start a more informative thread on quadratics later, please be sure to chime in!

How easily some people forget the traitorous acts of clinton. Giving long range missle capabilitys to the chinese who of course shared that knowledge with the koreans, which will eventually lead to american deaths!
Clinton was not a leader he was an appeaser.

Boy, how did I guess?!? This used to be such a great site, where we talked fishing and rivers, and conservation. I haven't been here for a few weeks, just figuring it would be more "Us vs. Them" lately, and sure enough! United we stand?? Riiiiiight!

While I'm here, I'll leave you all a CURRENT event to ponder:

WHAT IS PRESIDENT BUSH IS DOING FOR OUR MILITARY?

SLASHED: $28.8-BILLION from Department of Veterans Affairs

CUT: millions from veterans’ disability, rehabilitation, pension, education, compensation programs.

ABANDONED: ½-million vets backlogged in the compensation system, the 300,000 waiting 7 months for a medical appointment, the 40% of Vietnam vets that are homeless.

FORCED: veterans to pay higher and higher fees for medical services, and blocked some enrollments altogether.

CENSORED: VA Medical Centers that advertised what vet benefits are available.

STYMIED: investigation of Gulf War Syndrome, while an astonishing one-third of Gulf War I vets are disabled.

BLOCKED: The World Health Organization’s research on the effects of radioactive depleted uranium munitions used in Gulf War I "Desert Storm" Southern Iraq in 1991.

ORDERED: without conscience more than 100,000 young Americans to the radioactive contaminated desert area of Iraq, to use the same radioactive munitions!

Our government has abandoned our vets. What can our current troops expect?

remember that it "our government" that has abandoned some of the vets....GW didn't do all those things by himself since he took office...do your homework

Republicans- they're hell on the elderly,hell on college kids,hell on poor people, hell on the elderly,hell on the environment, hell on the economy. Who in the hell would vote for em.

hmmmm that's a very profound observation.

jacobf,

what clinton policies did you dislike?

jacobf,

what clinton policies did you dislike?

oh good ol elk here is going to teach us how to solve an equation and graph it out with number lines but don't tell anyone he has to use a calculator for it shhh...
quadratics...... come on teach I have a mb in civil eng.
please debate!!!!
I welcome you
back at ya my lil commie

I liked Clinton's policy of getting his willie whacked in the White House by an intern best

Take your frustrations out here!
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Anglin'4Salmon

I should have detected the engineer tone in your previous posts! My bad. I roomed with a few in college, smart guys, just a little too proud of themselves. You still didn't explain your previous post about teachers... Is that what qualifies me as a commie? because I teach? Or just you dont agree with me? Since were seeing who can piss farther here, I have a B.S. in Psychology, B.A. in education, and a M Ed. (mathematics) plus numerous other credits beyond that. As for the graphing piece, nice job, I underestimated you based on your previous posts. No calculators here though... I'll bet you've got one fired up on your desk right now though, and a pocket protector just full of sharp pencils to boot.
Heres another other topic we can discuss if quadratics isn't your cup of tea... This should be easy for a mind like yours! How about relating mathematics to guide placement on fishing rods? They aren't just randomly placed now are they? Your turn to pi$$!

Back to you my lil genius...

You guys had better hope Stephen Hawking doesn't show up or you'll both have to sit and be quiet.

Thats probably what we need..... I'm pretty sure neither of us is smart enough to stop. He'll come back and tell me how smart he is, than I'll respond back saying I'm smarter, and we'll both end up looking stupid anyway. I hope fishing picks up soon

I suggest drinking a gallon of water, wait about an hour, then log on and go to town on the keyboard, who ever can stay logged on without piss'n your self is the wiener.

Hey Dan,

While perusing the "Brief history of time" that constitutes this thread, I noticed that we seem to have a preponderance of members with multiple post-graduate degrees!

Instead of MBA's and PhD's though, it's more like BLL's and SHT's !!!

p.s. Myself included!

Jerry - where do you come up with this stuff??

4salt - you're right.

BP - You win the debate/discussion/flame or whatever it was.

elk
there is no win or lose in that situation, ya I admit there was a topic we started out bad with (and you know which one it is).
And ya I carried the frustration over here,
where I get frustrated is, that to many people voice what they consider fact!
where I am methodical (Athenian philosopher) most people aren't, here someone out completely and don't just jump on a band wagon (even if they are incomplete).
and as far as guides on a pole, come down here to vancouver sometime and use my lamiglass fly blank I made for my baitcaster nuff said.

Where is the "None of the Above" button?