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"Perspective of an ultra-conservative, ultra-nationalistic Jew"

Nice company Elvis.

Guys like this are part of the problem because they continue to bring the same old tired, overused and ineffectual ideas to the table.

Time for some new ideas over there in the holy land, the same 'ol same 'ol ain't going to cut it. In fact, if you refer back to my definition of stupidity..........

R.B. Thieme is Dan Quayle's pastor. Go ahead, find a way to rationalize that too Elvis, as middle america further separates itself from the ultra-conservative christian whackos pulling the puppet strings in the republican party.

You did not even read the article did you H20? You skimmed about the author and stopped.


"R.B. Thieme is Dan Quayle's pastor" I could give a rats ass who's pastor he is. Doctrine of the church compared to the seven letters to the seven churches is what is important when discussing the prophecy of Revelations. Churches like people can say whatever they feel like. Does not mean they are truely who they say they are. Furthermore comparing a single church's or mans idiology to that of all Christians would be like me comparing all liberals to NAMBLA beacuse they have a very liberal doctrine. It works with most anti Christians becaus they know little to nothing about what they hate so much. The ultimate biggotry and the only one tolerated in this country.

" And you know, for people who are, you know, I'm not Republican or Democrat, but I'm not making a secret I don't want this president reelected. But I think for people who do, for people who are Bush supporters, they really need to look in the mirror and ask themselves, because they consider themselves more patriotic usually, the Republicans, was that the patriotic thing to do? Who do you love more? George Bush or your country?

John Kerry was the guy whose Swift boat was on the Mekong Delta and he had literally charged the shore and killed the guy in the spider hole. George Bush is the guy who when the aide says, sir, the country is under attack, sits there for seven minutes, frozen. He choked. That's what's called choking in sports. When you can't move.

Like that seven minutes President Bush took to get up after he was told the country was under attack. To me, this is an ultimate deal breaker in this election. And again, I would invite Republicans, independents, people who are thinking of voting for the president, to say to themselves, take President Bush out of this equation. Take him out. Just say a president is told by an aide, the country is under attack. Should that president, (A), stick to what he's doing and not interrupt. Or consider that an immediate cause to get up and react?
I don't see how anyone can argue the reverse. And the excuse they gave. He didn't want to scare the children. This is the ultimate for the children, Larry. I mean, apparently 20 children in a schoolroom in Florida is more important than the fate of the country."

- Bill Maher

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Since its a Bill Maher thread, a little cut and paste.

...and honestly, try as he says to lay who the president is aside and make an honest, fair judgement.

The assesment that Bouche choked is not unfair.