The 'man of the people' who's 'in touch with the common man' just paid an estimated $2000 or more to fly out his French born hair stylist for a touch-up while John "Pierre" Kerry was in the NW recently.

Just think how much energy this 'dedicated environmentlist' could have conserved if he just waited till he was back in the DC area to get a trim.

Check it out: http://www.nydailynews.com/08-17-2004/news/col/story/222786p-191398c.html

Viva Le France (and the environment)!

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I've never once suggested that anyone boycott France or french products.

I have pointed out that France, like some of those who post on this board--seem to sing loudest in the 'Blame America First' choir.

Their history of not being willing or able to defend their country or their interests in the last 70 years is not one that Americans who are interested in self preservation should emulate.

When their not looking down at Americans and capitalism, France also enjoys being by far one of the most anti-semitic and pro-socialist countries in the world.

So when John "Pierre" Kerry tells us we need bow at the alter of the UN and ask France's permission to protect our interests, I think Gene Simmons said it best,"He may be a good leader some day, but right now I think Mr. Kerry would make a good president of France."

Why would any clear thinking person want or seek the respect/approval or military assistance from a country that looks down on America and Americans and isn't even willing to fight to protect themselves?

BTW--I like 'Freedom Fries' skin-on style with tartar sauce.

Really? Ever done any learnin' on the French Resistance during WWII? Common citizens taking up the cause against the enemy. They were instrumental in our effort to defeat Hitler's army. Now that sounds like something we as Americans should emulate.

By the way, what the ultra-right sees as "Blame America First," mainstream America sees as "take responsibility for your actions."

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Sorry goharley,

You may want to emulate France, but 'mainstream America' doesn't want to.

BTW--If you study the French resistance objectively, you'll see that the small handfull of men and women who helped us liberate France were the exception and not the rule of French citizenry. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Real intelligent response there, Aunty M, real intelligent.

real intelligent comeback, Hog King, real intelligent.

it was SO good, you repeated it, as if you were thinking to yourself when you wrote it "if i say it twice, it will double its effectiveness.

Math lesson:

2 x 0 = 0

Okay, Krusty, if you study WWII objectively you'll note that those that went and fought were a small minority of the US population relatively speaking.

And since we're talking objectivity, stats, and stuff, how about quantifying the following:

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France is one of the most anti-semitic countries in the world:

http://www.isranet.org/DataBank/FRANCE_ANTISEMITISM.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2003/12/21/in_france_anti_semitism_burns_anew/
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France is one of the most pro-socialist countries in the world:

http://www.blogcritics.org/archives/2004/07/29/140954.php

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030902.shtml
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France looks down on America and capitalism:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400053668/104-6347413-5697518?v=glance

Nice references on the anti-semitism issue, but it still doesn't quanitify France as the most anti-semitic. All it does it bring awareness to the fact that hate crimes are on the increase. Nothing new in today's world. I'm sure you've heard of the American KKK, Skinheads, et al. I guess if they don't like it in France they can move to, oh I dunno, how 'bout Israel for safety's sake? I hear the Palestinians have a special welcoming committee.

Why do you have such a problem with your fellow Americans receiving healthcare? I'd think by that fishy-cross thing you display you'd be all about every one of your fellow man being taken care of. Isn't that what Jesus would do?

**(Dick Cheney) frogs**

[QUOTE]Originally posted by goharley:

[QB] Nice references on the anti-semitism issue, but it still doesn't quanitify France as the most anti-semitic. All it does it bring awareness to the fact that hate crimes are on the increase.---GH
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My original assertion was that they were 'one' of the most.........--RB
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Why do you have such a problem with your fellow Americans receiving healthcare? --GH

I don't have a problem with Americans or anyone else for that matter receiving quality healthcare. I have a problem with addressing the issue with an socialistic approach that creates more problems than it solves--see the 'townhall.com' link that I fixed.--RB
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I'd think by that fishy-cross thing you display you'd be all about every one of your fellow man being taken care of. Isn't that what Jesus would do?--GH
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I've said before that I don't profess to know what Jesus would do about anything.

The fish is a beautiful symbol to believers, because it reminds us of what Jesus said to stop a couple of commercial fisherman from gill-netting at the Sea of Galilee (Mark 1:17).

The WWJD? wrist band is a cute idea, but the only one who can say with authority what Jesus would do about anything is Jesus himself.--RB

Originally posted by Kanektok Kid:

Just as an exercise in rational and analytical thought, please give me 4 reasons why France, or any other country, should act in accordance with everthing the US proposes or does.--KK
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How about 4 reasons why France wouldn't act in accordance with the US in invading Iraq and removing Saddam and his regime from power:
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1.) Jacque Chirac had a close personal friendship with Saddam spanning several years.

2.) The Billion(s) of unsecured dollars that France had loaned Saddam's government, that they stood to lose.

3.) The fact that France had profited from selling potentially damning military hardware to Saddam and his regime.

4.) The fact that France generally resents America's successful economy and super- power status.--RB
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What rationale would drive sovereign nations to march lock step with other countries, always? --KK

In the final analysis, the only one you can 'always' count on is yourself.

Going to war is kind of like moving----no one looks foward to it, but when it happens and you could use a hand---you find out pretty quick who your real friends are.
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PS: Waiting for a reply on your grossly inaccurate, biased references to the term of neocon also. --KK


Your characterization of 'grossly inaccurate' and 'biased' to the 'wink-wink neo-con' label is your opinion.

That's the great thing about this country--we're all entitled to one.--RB

You didn't invent the term neocon or the term chickenhawk nor did you invent or think up so many more buzz words strewn around these hallowed boards....you just overuse them until they become cliches. You pick them up from the MoveOn.org site or the Michael Moore talking points and you use them as if you were some historical scholar....NOT....just another puppet miming what you are told.

If you want to have an adult-level exchange of ideas with me then please refer to me as RB.

I have always addressed you personally in this forum as KK or KKKK.

If you are incapable of returning the common courtesy, then I'm not going to respond to your queries.
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BTW--I never said that mine was the only meaning to the word neo-conservative. If you go back to the first time I offered it, I said ,"in my opinion, the word neo-consevative has become...."

The links to the Swift Boat vet web page and I had a good chuckle on that one.

To answer your question KK, yes.
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note below were I said, "they changed the label ......"


Once the general public caught on to the' wink-wink' anti-semitic sentiment in that charactarization, they changed the label from Zionist to Neo-conservative or neo-con.
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I never said that a group invented the word neo-con, I said they (some-not all) changed their terminology and adapted the same 'wink-wink' sentiment.

BTW--Just because my opinion of what the word has/is become/becoming isn't yet well know to the average observer, it doesn't automatically negate my theory.

This wouldn't be the first time I was ahead of the curve.

Spoken like a true veteran... oh, hey, wait a minute....

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If I was a veteran, you probably wouldn't know about it.

Because unlike goharley and John "King of Mekong" Kerry, I wouldn't brag about the fact that I used to be in the military every other time I opened my mouth.

Is there anyone else on this website that boasts about what they used to do for a living in almost every post?

Originally posted by Kanektok Kid:

''I said they'' ......ahhh the ubiquitous 'they'.....and who are 'they', Are you reffering to the far left, or the anti-semites? Both?--KK

If the shoe fits.....If it doesn't........--RB.
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When the leaders (fathers,principals, or however you want to refer to them) tag themselves with the term neoconsevatives, and some of those folks happen to be either Jewish, or staunch supporters of Israel, how is the term a perjorative?--KK

As I stated before, the first time I offered a meaning to he word, I said,"in my opinion the term Neo-consevative has become....."

The fact that Krystal, Wolfowitz and other happen to be Jewish and staunch supporters of the Jewish state of Israel is what fuled some to adapt a new meaning to the word Neo-conservative.

The word can be perjorative if used in a context to belittle those who support a Jewish state of Israel, because they are in essence belittling the Jewish state it self. In a society where most people are so worried about being PC and not wanting to appear to be predjudice in any way--they have to find creative ways to express their distain for some people and their right to exist.--RB
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While the quetions I asked earlier (other thread RB) were never answered by you, and I have kept my end of the deal (so far ) lets hear from you, as a supporter of Israel, some answers. Is Pat Buchanon an anti semite, was Nixon?--KK

I never claimed that the ugly hat of anti-semitism was worn exclusively by those on the left. But I don't think the term neo-consevative would apply to either Buchanon (who I think is a buffoon) or Nixon--RB
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Is Israel 'untouchable' in her actions, like spying on the US? --KK

Allies have spyed on each other since day one.
Do you think that we don't keep tabs on Israel?

England (one of our staunchest allies) spyed on us before and during our involvement in WWII. They also contributed greatly to the defeat of fascism.

Should we have thrown the baby out with the bath water and broken off our strong relationship to England because they put their own interest before our own?

I'm good friends with my neighbors--I wouldn't bat an eyelash to help them protect their home from a fire or an intruder, I bet they'd do the same for me.

However, as selfish as it may sound, the safety of my own home and those who dwell in it is more important to me than that of my neighbors.--RB
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As for your stats on the 'nuclear nation' you'll have to re-post them---your queries have been interesting so far, so I'll be happy to take a look at them. RB

Krusty, you are the master of hyperbole, but please reference for me where I've bragged about my military service.

I have indeed mentioned it on occasion - and proudly - but only to lend credibility to the statements I made at the time. Now if you want to attack me, or belittle me, for choosing service to our country as a career, then you have the right to do so. After all, that's why I do what I do - to give you the right to be the (Dick Cheney) that you are.

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And the answer is: Who is Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson