... oil-for-food thread? You know, the one where a couple of evangelicals were expressing their delightful schadenfreude (is that a Christian trait? ) in pointing out France was involved in the scandal.

I wanted to add to the thread, but it seems the originator deleted it. So here's a little info for those curious about France's involvement compared to other's:

The individuals involved:
Putting it in perspective:
$12.2 billion over a 13 year period. Compare that to what is being spent now on Iraq weekly. How much is Halliburton and its subsidiaries being investigated for since the war started 19 months ago?

Tell the judge you only kept 15% of the money from a fraud deal and see if he lets you off easy.

first of all gh you're comparing apples to oranges..

My response earlier was just to say that the amount of money the us has spent would be a lot less if the countries mentioned in parts of the article you pasted had actually wanted to help Iraq and not steal from them. But, as you have pointed out we know why they France and others were so adamant against going into Iraq. France and others had a good thing going. They sure as hell didn't want that messed up. And the reason I mainly mention France is they were the ones making the most noise about those dirty Americans only going into Iraq for oil. Now that I think of it, you were one of those saying the same thing...


And I deleted the other post cause I knew the same people would only dig and dig to try and find some little shred of evidence to and try and still say it is Americas fault. I saw quickly by reading you post that your first response was to slam America even without any shred of.


But I still find it funny that you still try to justify this whole thing because the stealing was happening over a 13 year period. That was money that was being taken from the people. And now America is putting money back into Iraq and this is wrong how? And shut up about Halliburton already. How much was Halliburton investigated on those no bid under any other administraion? And please list the other companies that can do what Halliburton does?

Anything to hate America right GH? Anything to avoid saying, wow maybe these facts coming out are a good reason why those countries wouldn't help out?

You hate it here so much GH why don't you leave? You say you train soldiers? I really doubt it with your attitude, the hate America first one. Working in the slop hall doesn't count as training...

Oh, and by the way, Oscar S. Wyatt, Jr. is a strong Bush supporter and campaign contributor.

Pmartin - quit crying, you sound like a little girl.

I'm not disputing that involvement in the OFF by particular countries may be a reason they might not have wanted to participate in the war. Of course, relatively speaking, the money they gained from the OFF is pretty small.

And no where am I blaming America for the scandal - only pointed out that we're not clean, either.

Ya see, that's the thing about truly loving America and defending the democracy we enjoy. I choose to exercise my First Amendment right when I see something I think is wrong and want corrected. Blindfolding yourself with patriotic fervor leads to a contemptuous government that manifests itself into a fascist regime where everyone must "stay on message" and there's no room for dissent.

So in reality, if you don't approve of your fellow citizens demanding a transparent government and the ability to voice dissent free of reprisal, then I believe you should leave and find an autocracy with a demogogue.

Mark Rich was a Clinton supporter or was it Clinton a Mark Rich supporter? What's the point? :rolleyes:

Oh everybody has an Ahole too, your's just happens to spew a lot more sh!t than most.

I thought you liked little girls? Or was it little boys?

Get back to serving that pudding...

now you know why I deleted the original start of the topic. They almost always seem to go down this road as you can see by GH's opening statement... :rolleyes:

Oh I forgot it's his first amendment right to slam right?. Not in this room gh. You want your 1st amendment right go stand on the street corner.

I wasn't aware that being refered to as someone "Of, relating to, or in accordance with the Christian gospel, especially one of the four gospel books of the New Testament" would be considered a slam. I thought the way people here wore it on their sleeve that it would be complimentary.

that's where the problems started

Ahhh, so it's my supposed slamming that's the problem, eh?

I think the oil for food scam totalled over $20 BILLION last time I checked and not $13B. The point is that the UN oversaw a scam and many officials in many governments were implicated in kick backs. Saddam profitted personally while his people starved. How this relates to Haliburton escapes me other than it is the hackneyed go-to scape goat run up the flag pole by Harley and a couple of his pathetic comrades on almost all issues. How the old religion red herring gets injected into the debate is also a mystery in some ways but about as predictable as the name calling that always follows.

It was an exercise in relativity, Grandpa. Sorry if I'm typing too fast for you.

Again, I'm not defending anyone, nor am I excusing anyone. Just pointing out some facts that others don't want to admit to.