In another thread we had a lot of fun discussing the election. It was so obvious that we a still set to do the same thing over and over and getting the same results. I feel this guy comes closest to realizing and explaining the disfunction than most. It's worth checking out. Not asking anyone to accept his views, but is a good history lesson that many can relate to. BTW, I'm all for higher education and spiritual growth.

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

Are ducks racist?

Ok, so I got into a coffee break discussion at work the other day.
The topic was race, integration and inter-racial marriage.
Dicey topic eh?
One woman says that she admits that she is more likely to be comfortable in a setting with people of her own race than say a congregation of black people.
I can see the other openly liberal woman shaking her head in disagreement..
I say "thank you for having the courage to speak your mind."

Anyway, I (Mr. politically incorrect) finally chime in.
I blurd out that I believe that is natures way and that man thinks that because of his mental superiority, can override the genetic programing instilled in us by mother nature.
Is there not a programing device in our DNA that is there to protect sub specie diversity?
Look at waterfowl.
You have a migration where thousands of birds come together.
All of them are ducks.
Within the flock, you have mallards, pintails, gadwalls, widgeons, canvasbacks, bluebills etc...
They will all migrate together, but upon touchdown, will separate into smaller groups of birds of their own subspecies (not 100%, but close).
Very rarely will they ever interbreed.
Is this racism?
No, it is an internally programed behavior designed to keep the purity and survival of the subspecies intact.
Overly domesticated ducks interbreed at will creating all sorts of intermingled characteristics.
Is it our advanced mental capacity the tries to be inclusive of all races and avoid the social taboos of being labeled a racist (which BTW is the most socially abhorrent label of all by today's standards) Or is it a genetically programmed racial integrity device deep within our DNA that our highly developed thought capabilities are trying to override due to social pressures?

As far as the blight suffered by minorities in this country?
Very similar situation I believe.

We have been conditioned by society to be colorblind.

You are an outcast for thinking differently.

I believe that despite our present culture and the horrendous social implications of being labeled a racist, there is a tribal mentality that was programed into our DNA eons ago that as a society we are trying to overcome.
If I as a white person were to move to the Australian outback and try to fit in with an Aboriginal tribe , do you think I would be given equal opportunities and all the same rights as a native born son?
Should I then cry bloody murder that the the majority did not fully accept me and give me full opportunity?
If I were to go the the Masai tribe in Tanzania, and try to fit in as a tribesman or the polar north and try to intermingle with the native peoples, do you believe that I would be given true acceptance?
Very unlikely.
Like it or nor the white skinned devil is the majority in this nation.
For eternity minorities will struggle with that fact and the deep rooted self preservation mechanism that I believe is present in every human being will be an obstacle they will have to fight to overcome.
I believe there is some truth in Mr. Wise's speech, however that truth, much like any other personal belief is intermingled with his own social and political standards.
Myself, I give what I get.
Everyone starts out on an equal playing field, white, mexican, black, asian whatever, your actions and behavior dictate the human being that I label.
Just my thoughts on the race subject.
Sal

That's mighty white of ya.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dcr8dm9Prkk&feature=related

IF A CANDIDATE IS KNOWN BY THE PASTOR THEY KEEP


When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the
Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court
earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and
nothing but the truth. But as the former Clinton pastor
was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for
inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home
last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick
sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

Okay, so now that Bill and Hillary Clinton's pastor has
been convicted of child molestation, will we see the
same furor directed at Hillary that Obama has had to
endure these last few weeks?

Here the CLINTON'S Pastor is convicted of child
molestation.

So, if Obama bears the guilt for his pastor's comments,
then Hillary has to be equally tainted by this guy's
crimes,


Subject: The TRUTH about Jeremiah Wright 911 comments


'...we bombed Nagasaki, we bombed Hiroshima...' It should be noted that the comments by Jeremiah Wright on 911 that have been replayed thousands of times through the news media and millions over the Internet, '...we bombed Hiroshima we bombed Nagasaki...the chickens have come home to roast' is actually a quotation.

The original remark was made by Edward Peck,
a Caucasian former US ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of Ronald Reagan's terrorism task force. His remarks which were made on FOX News are as follows:

'We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo.

Terrorism. 'We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear.

Terrorism'.We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel .'We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

'We bombed Qaddafi's home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children's head against the rock.

'We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they'd never get back home.

'We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. 'Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

'We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.

'Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that. 'The media has cherry picked sound bites from a sermon that are quotations of respectable white US diplomat with 32 years of foreign service in order to demonize the Reverend Wright and damage Barack Obama in the general election.

In the link below is a video clip from the 911 sermon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

After watching this video, in contrast to the clips being played, you truly understand the underhanded nature of the media. I'm truly amazed that no media network has reported the Obama's reverend's comments were not his own but a quotation. The job of the media is to report the TRUTH and after a full week not one these anchors/pundits/commentators on any network has even bothered to take the time to listen to the sermon they are indicting the man for. As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as FOX. And every time I hear the question 'why didn't he leave the church?' I can't help but wonder why didn't the nearly 80 million professed Catholics in the US leave their Church when they found out their church leadership had been involved in cover up of hundreds of priests who admitted to molesting little boys for decades by simply moving offending priests to new parishes until enough complaints built then moving them on again and again. What I wanna know, is why is Obama the only person being asked these questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

Excellent points JLH. "The truth? The truth? You can't handle the truth."
You should write that to the editor of our local news papers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,225570.story


http://inspiredvoter.com/2008/03/21/bill-clinton-jeremiah-wright-photographed-together/

Who is Jack Schitt?


Many people are at a loss for a response when someone says, “You don’t know
Jack Schitt”. Soon you will be able to handle this situation.

The lineage revealed….

Jack is the only son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer
magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Knee-Deep Schitt, Inc.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt and the deeply religious couple produced
six children: Holie, the twins Deep and Dip, Fulla, Giva and Bull Schitt.

Against his parents’ strong objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a
high school dropout.

After being married for 15 years, Jack and Noe divorced. Noe Schitt married Mr.
Scherlock and because her kids were living with them, she decided to keep her
previous name. She became known as Noe Schitt-Scherlock.

Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced a cowardly son—Chick (Chick
N. Schitt).

Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt were inseparable throughout childhood and
consequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony.

The Schitt-Happens children are Dawg, Byrd and Horse Schitt.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently
returned with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

Now when someone says that you don’t know Jack Schitt, you can correct them
and ask if they are related to any of the above.

[quote=blue water pro]Sal,
I would like to present an argument that humans are smarter than ducks but you must know that. What you say is common in the promotion of racism handed down generation after generation.

I have a yellow lab who mates with my black lab. Black cats mate with white cats, striped with spotted. I thought animals were color blind, maybe not."

I engage in this topic not to expound racist beliefs, but to open dialog and step back and question what is put forth as fact carved in stone by many.

I believe no race to be superior to another, only more specifically designed to each one's particular native habitat.

Domestic animals in my opinion have had their inate natural survival mechanisms blurred by centuries of cross breeding and genitic manipulation.
What my point is , is are we as a human society trying to out think the natural programing of our biological instincts?
Are the negative social connotations
connected with terms such as "racist" and "bigot" actually a man made way of bypassing what is programmed into the depths of our DNA?
I have no schooling on this matter, but have wondered to myself these questions.
I catch "Hell" from fundamentalist types for my athiestic beliefs.
As I believe we are highly developed animals and NOT special creatures that are decendants of God.

I question why deer, waterfowl, African antelope, assorted birds etc... seek to be with their own subspecies for interaction and reproduction (not 100% but close) while in the the modern politically correct human society we have come to a point where we believe that we are all exactly the same with only the tone of our skin being different.
Not often I have ever openly discussed this and certainly don't want to turn it into something ugly as I said earlier I'm no racist or seperatist, only a person wonering aloud.

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/narrative/section2.rhtml

Douglass knows only that his father is a white man, though many people say that his master is his father. He explains that slaveholders often impregnate their female slaves. A law ensures that mixed‑race children become slaves like their mothers. Thus slaveholders actually profit from this practice of rape, as it increases the number of slaves they own. Douglass explains that such mixed‑race slaves have a worse lot than other slaves, as the slaveholder’s wife, insulted by their existence, ensures that they either suffer constantly or are sold off. Douglass considers that the existence of such a large population of mixed-race slaves contradicts arguments that justify American slavery through the supposed inferiority of the African race.
Douglass’s first master is Captain Anthony. The Captain’s overseer, Mr. Plummer, is a drunk and a cruel man who carries a whip and cudgel with him and often uses them on slaves. The Captain himself is cruel as well. Douglass recalls the Captain frequently whipping Douglass’s Aunt Hester. Douglass recalls feeling like both a witness to and a participant in the abuse the first time he ever saw it. He remembers this moment as his introduction into the hellish world of slavery. Douglass cannot, even now, describe what he felt while watching Aunt Hester’s whipping.
Douglass recalls a particularly violent episode of the Captain whipping Aunt Hester. The Captain calls for Hester at night and finds that she has gone out with a slave named Ned, against the Captain’s orders. Douglass implies that the Captain has a particular sexual interest in Hester, who is quite beautiful. The Captain brings Hester home, strips her to the waist, ties her, and whips her until her blood drips on the floor. Young Douglass is so terrified by the scene that he hides in a closet, hoping he will not be whipped next.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/true/primer.html

Nonspecific DNA Results Link "Some" Jefferson.
Dr. Foster found that there was a match between the male descendants of Uncle Field Jefferson and those of Sally Heming's youngest son, Eston Hemings. However there was no match between the male descendants of Tom Woodson, Sally Hemings' first-born son. The nephews' heirs also did not match any of the others, and neither did the neighbors' descendants. Dr. Foster concluded that "the simplest and most probable explanation for our molecular findings are that Thomas Jefferson, rather than one of the Carr brothers, was the father of Eston Hemings Jefferson, and that Thomas Woodson was not Thomas Jefferson's son."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrYlNNy929Y&feature=related

Your statement is absolutely correct! We are the products of our own experience. That experience is limited to the quality of the information going into our personal knowledge base. We defend this information as the absolute truth in our daily lives. We will sacrifice our lives, based on information that may be false, because we are in denial, and also for the purpose of protecting our ego. An ego, that's likely wrapped in a blanket of lies. Thoses blankets can represent, Religion, Flag, Race, Sex, and a endless number of other subjects. Each one laced with insufficient data, or data not proper assimilated , resulting in dysfunction. After all, much of the contents in our perceived truth's account, could in actuality be big fat lies. Our ego can cause us to cast a blind eye, to our own inhumanity towards others, as well as ourselves, when our accounts fall short on real truth's, knowledge or experience. This result's in errors and delussions, that are a direct result of insufficient, or faulty and tainted data in our account. Once our data bank is corrupted, we are prone to mistakes ( some severe), when we are required to make qualified decisions, that are logical, rational, moral, or in the best interest of ourselves as well as all humanity.

We need to delete the false data in our mental data bank, and be willing to upload better, more reliable data when appropriate. That's called being teachable, and open to spiritual and moral growth. Both are human qualities that are revered by moral people around the world. We do this (delete bad data), so that bad data doesn't skew the whole works, and cause dysfunction when we do a search of our data base looking for the right programs, or guidance and direction. Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the individual, to download and monitor their own data bank, in order to function properly when interacting with others in a civilized and humane society.

Playing follow the leader, if that leaders data base is loaded with viruses, is a poor choice if it results in harm or permanent damage, to our own data bank. In that situation (leader's virus affecting entire network), the only virus protection available, is the protection of a healing heart that's regularly upgraded with spirituality, and having a healthy respect for all of God's creation.



I'm in agreement with all you say. Kudo's for looking inside for a truth, that most civilized people recognize as human, appropriate and non toxic. You don't measure the human spirit with a DNA test.

{Quote}: "Playing follow the leader, if that leaders data base is loaded with viruses, is a poor choice if it results in harm or permanently damage, to our own data bank. In that situation (leader's virus affecting entire network), the only virus protection available, is the protection of a healing heart that's regularly upgraded with spirituality, and having a healthy respect for all of God's creation. " {End Quote}

Could not then organized religion be considered "playing follow the leader"?
I consider religion to be hope.
People who live ther life in harsh conditions lean on religion more as a hope for their future and hope that the next life will be better than the meager one they are experiencing, creating a fearless pathway into the next world in their minds.
Wouldn't this explain the radical muslim's eagerness to leave this world and move on to the paradise awaiting them?
I believe religion to be a good thing for some that use it to expand love and compassion toward others and not so good for those that use it as a wedge to divide those with other beliefs.

My paradise is right here right now.

I step foot in Heaven from time to time and am satisfied to live with the consequences of an eternity of emptiness upon my passing knowing I have enjoyed and consumed beauty beyond description and a full and satisfying life.

Don't get me wrong, I am reverent in my spirituality, however it is a personal spituality based on my absolute love of Mother Nature.
I believe there was nothing but a void before my birth and will be nothing after I die.
I will simply cease to exist except for the memories instilled in my friends, family and aquaintances with my ashes simply returning to nutrients in mother nature's cycle.

Acording to some I'm doomed to burn in the fires of Hell for breaking out of the lockstep of organized religion.
Don't believe in heaven or hell, I believe you make those places for yourself here on Earth in your short stay.

Man's mind is an incredible thing, what other creature contemplates his existence?
Unfortunatley it is that overly developed brain that may doom himself and the rest of the wonderful creatures that we share this planet with.
Hope I'm nutrients well before that day.

Perhaps a Wildabeast being chased down by a hungry lion? Why would the fuc%er run, otherwise.

Life is bliss no matter who or where you live! A view of paradise from another perspective.

http://www.aistigave.hit.bg/Logistics/

Nice bwp!

My own personal choice for finding bliss is when the lady and I are practicing Kriya Tantra Yoga techniques together. Tantra Yoga allows us, (guy's especially) to prolong (your choice) "bliss," and our partners dig it even more. Get my drift?

I thought I was on your ignore list.

Besides I was addressing bwp, as he had addressed me, that is if it's OK with you. Thank you!

Before he edited his post, there was a video of a beautiful lady singing and dancing that he pointed out to ME (JLH) as being blissful. It reminded me of Tantra and I responded with "nice." You need to keep up if you want to talk man talk with men.

It seems that you are way more proficient at talking man talk (XXX) to the World on a regular basis via this site and the Internet than most here. Why was it not required of bwp to do the same in the message he addressed to me, that he later deleted of the beautiful dancing and sexy white lady (as he put it) that he thought was bliss for him?

Never mind! All you choose to do is target me, that is after a couple of weeks ago, telling members and the World that I was on your Ignore list. When you clicked on the thread you knew it was one of my posts that you were clicking onto, yet you still clicked on it and then decide to play this holier than thy bullsh!t. Man you are really showing just how miserable you are by practicing and acting out the ugly ole troll behavior.

You have been way more graphic and descriptive in conversations on this board about all things manly, and you seem to be attracted to any thread with a potential XXX rating posted by men, while inviting others (WWW) with an offer of cookies to come join in the fun. But,...... when I mention to another member Tantra Yoga, you pretend to be highly offended. To be more specific, Bliss is often associated with this form of Yoga. Not sure why anyone would be offended at prolonging bliss, unless that person doesn't want to be reminded that they are incapable of experiencing bliss. If that's your case then I am sorry for bwp's and I sharing our thoughts on bliss. BTW, it is not my intention to offend any disabled or retarded person.

If you are so concerned that X rated material not be discussed in this forum, then why don't you address it to yourself first, and then to the rest of the board. I wouldn't be surprised if 5000 of the 10,000 posts that you have made to this forum was an (XXX). Now you are telling me that it offends you and is undesirable.

Again, you place both of your feet in a big pile of ugly__, but then again what else should I expect from you but ugly and nasty when it comes to addressing me.

You probably wont be reading this because of your pledge to not respond and to ignore my posts,... however, I think your reading it would help you to realize that what's going on between your ears and between another location (I wont mention) is the need for a major 10,000 posts tune-up. May I suggest Kriya Tantra Yoga?

You read it! WOW! I am soooooo surprised. However I see that you are still stuck on stupid.

Here's another one for you to ignore. Not!

Me too.

You attached bliss to it and that is what I responded to. Your idea of bliss and my idea of bliss is obviously different. You directed to me as an example of bliss, and I responded with the comment "nice." I wasn't critical at all of what you defined as bliss. If you hadn't spoken directly at me of your idea of what represented a proper example, I wouldn't have offered what I thought was a more appropriate personal definition for me in a reply, as well as sharing a resource for methods I find useful in garnering more bliss in my life and my relationship with my significant other. I wasn't trying to be hostile, and I didn't see a reason for you to delete your own personal choice. Hula and Tantra are similar. They both are calming, sensual and relaxing, all of which are useful in meditation. Tantra and meditation go hand in had. Meditation is not pornography? Where did that come from anyway? Read a book or something( before assuming), if you are not familiar with a subject, and therefore it must be evil and wrong.

Maybe everyone's definition of bliss is different, and that's OK.... But, don't jump on me if mine is not the same as yours. No where have I ever posted a pic of naked women or man in this forum. In fact some feel that they are doing Aunty a favor by posting naked men in this forum, and then calling her to come see. Which BTW, she usually does. The reason for my stand alone commit directed to you, was that after I posted my comment, you removed yours leaving mine to stand alone.

It was Aunty fanning flames that were not necessary in the first place. I don't see how my comments were anymore X rated than other posts made in this forum including Aunty's.

Remember, see told everyone that she had me marked as ignore? So why this and for what? I'm to much into ponography to suit her or something? Tantra Yoga is not ponograhic, it about meditation. You don't purchase it in the Red Light District.

Again bwp, no where in my post did I attack you. It was Aunty attacking me.

I bet that the clip you posted and deleted would have made a difference and by no means negative. Tantra Yoga benefits all systems of the body (both physical as well as emotional).
I don't consider sex dirty or something that shouldn't be spoken in connection to Bliss. Bliss suggest enjoyment and I also enjoy sex as well. I don't have record of posting sexually explicit material in the forum. Tantra..look it up and you will understand where i'm coming from.

Why didn't you mind your own business in the first place. Besides I was addressing bwp, as he had addressed me, that is if it's OK with you. Thank you! Why do I have to answer to you before I post or after I post? Your above reply is way more pornographic than any of the Tantra referenced stuff was.

Again, you probably wont read this because as you have stated I'm on your ignore list. But just in case, read your above statements in combination with your trying to disapline me for posting to a thread and realize who initiate an attack. Again, I recommend Tantra for helping you with your problem of excessive cyber masturbating, using men in a forum on the internet. We may need to get a room in this forum, for you to take your invitee into and you can keep your nasty mess contained. Just some advise for a lonely frustrated, dysfunctional "woman."

ummm,this is the internet. Nothing on here is anyone's "personal business". That just struck me as funny.

That is the absolute truth!

Especially after you click onto a post and make it your business.

Anything written on the Internet, even personal E-mails, become permanent, written public record.

...As many politicians have found after their careers are abruptly ended.

Might as well take out a full page printed ad in the Seattle Times.

Something to consider before you go on some addled rant online.

That is one of the benefits of having the internet. It helps to keep our leaders in check. It appears that Hillary recently got exposed, and was caught with her foot in her mouth and now it's all over the news and Internet. Apparently she is staying inthe race in order to allow uneducated, dumb hard working white voters a choice.

That's what they (the politician) depend on, and it usually works. An electorate that they consider to be dumb, stupid and uneducated will allow business as usual,... ripping us off by the trillions without even a whimper. I knew there was something wormy about that woman?

The idea that she is depending on dummy's as she put's it, to get her nominated is sorta funny, but a sad commentary on her strategy. She's throwing everything at the already challenged, who's number BTW can fluctuate, depending on liquors sales and the misery index on network news. They especially like to play the race card because it usually works on people with low self esteem, that consider the most valuable asset they have to offer society is their skin color. <>

I'm Just glad the word got out via blogs on the Internet and then the other networks had to pick it up. Her desperate attempt at exploiting people that already have considerable challenges with hate mongering is so pathetic. I'm sure that there are supporters on this site that are also disappointed in her statements as well. No one wants to be considered by a candidate that they are stupid or dumb, while they are avidly supporting that candidate. I'm certain that our bwp would be upset at this turn about, as he has stood by her through thick and thin and I consider that as honorable.

Thanks to the Internet the word got out. Kudo's to the Internet!

wow watching jlh and auntie spar is very entertaining.. watch out auntie he will evetually get around to calling you a racist!!! He always resorts to that tactic when his back is against the wall... next will be accusing you of raping the shrimp resource into extinction. Yea I'm racistwhen it comes to being a real american, and not a liberal "everyone is entitled to believe their own religion, as long as it doesn't affect the way I choose to live" head in the sand way of life.. You know If we choose not to see it, it is not real.. and as far as tantric goes it seems if he believes in it, it must be the gospel truth....So Sayeth JLH!!!!

And who the f*ck made you the "Real American" selection committee?

My guess would be Rush Limbaugh and FOX News!

Where ya been lately Nookie? Organizin' an Everett chapter of the John Birch Society?

Nah, just been on a pilgrimage to honor the final resting place of GOD, that being Charleton Heston.... and when HE comes back, HE'S gonna have an AK in HIS cold, dead hands....

Dan S., Im not on any "selection comittee", bu I am a REAL AMERICAN, and as such I do have freedom of speech, as do you..

Oh and one more thing, I dont watch television of any sort, nor do I listen to talk radio... Hmmmmm, where do I get my ideas?.. Gee ever heard of independent thought, independent reasoning? Besides, who wants to listen to the rants of a
right wing red neck lying oxycontin eater anyways?

Obama Rama Ding Dongs, are totally incapable of independent thought, and therefore, reason as well. "Oh but he tells us he's about change!"
yes he's all about change all right... every last bit of change in your pockets , purses and piggy banks.
BAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

I'm a REAL AMERICAN, too.

A liberal one who gets tired of f'n conservatives that think they have a monopoly on being a REAL American.....or being an independent thinkers.

They don't.

Not once did I claim to be conservative, nor do I have a monopoly on independent thinking, or being a "Real American". All I can say about obama is once a muslim always a muslim. Sure liberals are "real Americans", just as conservatives are.
Sorry I just dont have the "heard beast mentality" required to be a liberal.

Once upon a time, we were all just humans, then some a**holes got together and created religion, closely followed by politics, and totally f'd up the planet

Required to be a liberal?

Is that right?

And how exactly do you figure?

I think you're mistaking "liberal" for far-left Democrat. And while all far-left Democrats may be liberals, not all liberals are far-left Democrats.

Ok then, far left or far right, once a liberal, always a liberal.
On another note, it's funny that as soon as sheep are mentioned, Stam joins in.
Coincidence? I think not. Must have lost his penchant for horses.

McCain is going to have a senior moment or two during one of the presidental debates and then it will be all over for him. Remember his comments about "Al Qaeda being trained in Iran", then Joesph Leiberman leans over and wispers in his ear and tells him the right answer.
Here we go lets start the election cycle now.

http://therealmccain.com/?utm_source=rgemail

Geez Stam what only the select few can make jokes about you and livestock? Then you resort to questioning my intelligence? It was all in fun, but maybe I was a little close to the truth? Getting nasty is easy..... best part of me ran down YOUR momma's leg... Lighten up

Nice one Stam. I am well aware that anything I post will be read, after all thats what this board is for. You are entitled to your opinion as it pertains to my level of intelligence. Did I question yours? NO! I just realizied that am not an exclusive member of Stam's elite circle of friends who can make jokes, and not be ostracized for it. What a guy!

hasish.

DING! DING! DING!

Stam you truly are the man.
Love to hang out and throw back a few brews with ya bud.
I found out some time ago that even though a person may disagree with me doesn't make them an a--hole.
There are some good folks out there that dislike much of what I do and yet we can get along just fine.
On the other hand, there are people that share my interests that I just flat out do not care to be around.

I certainly have views that go opposite of either lockstep conservatives or lefty liberals.



Sal

Now Abu that was funny.

[quote]I found out some time ago that even though a person may disagree with me doesn't make them an a--hole.


There are certainly exceptions to every rule...

sorry Im late welcome back abu!! and salmo is right not everyone is an azzhole... just a few, and they know who they are.

With things going the way they are, maybe Tim Wise is on to something. Seems that America is chalked full of indentured servants and slaves, running out of sponsor's (payroll). Sorta reminds you of what it might have been like in the good old days of Colonialism. Dollar devaluation, isolation, Slavery, Old Money & Federal Reserve vs. New dollars and zero reserve, etc.......

Some of the comments towards Obama have been really revealing. I was really surprised by the comments of a couple of people that I thought were much more intelligent. Whites that don't think any black man should ever be president, but can fight and die in America's wars are sick. Those are the one's that Tim is referring to. Stupid should hurt, and hurt real bad. Come to think about it, a bush 3rd term may be just what the doctor ordered.

Humility is the best healer!

Vote "The Salmon-Yoga Party" ticket in 08. Making a difference in tough times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=455T7WIUjWM&eurl=http

TTT for bwp

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

No surprise there.

Damn.
And I thought O.J did it.