#550038 - 10/28/09 01:57 PM
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Poodle Smolt
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Loc: McCleary, WA
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Lewis County man shoots and kills burglar!Nice to see someone knows how to do it right, complete with the Uncle Jimbo "he was comin' right at me" catch phrase.
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#550046 - 10/28/09 02:18 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dogfish]
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I love me
Registered: 08/22/06
Posts: 1821
Loc: Around the way
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See this is a different scenario than "dude was running off with my 100 dollar speakers."
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#550057 - 10/28/09 02:34 PM
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[Re: Salmo g.]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2533
Loc: Elma
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Sad story, but with an acceptable ending.
Extermination of another vermin.
Hopefully, it wasn't his tweaked out great-nephew or something. Even if it was, it still is a good ending for the rest of us.
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#550070 - 10/28/09 03:06 PM
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[Re: Irie]
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If you are married for a split second you'll think about staining the carpet and then blow him away.
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#550081 - 10/28/09 03:36 PM
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[Re: Irie]
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The Beav
Registered: 02/22/09
Posts: 2741
Loc: Oregon Central Coast
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I doubt that's how it really went down, but the situation being what it is, I see no need to question it.
My guess the guy heard him come in and waited at the top of the stairs and if he said anything at all it was "So long, Sucker!!!" and then ran downstairs to make sure he didn't have any accomplices or get-away drivers that needed silencing. Which is exactly what I'd have done.
But like I said, the ends justify the means. Hey...you stole my thought process...
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#550083 - 10/28/09 03:37 PM
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[Re: stlhead]
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The Beav
Registered: 02/22/09
Posts: 2741
Loc: Oregon Central Coast
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If you are married for a split second you'll think about staining the carpet and then blow him away. 'That's what throw rugs are for, woman!... Now, the way I see it, I just saved your life................'
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#550084 - 10/28/09 03:38 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: stlhead]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
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If you are married for a split second you'll think about staining the carpet and then blow him away. The stairs are cherry, and all of the downstairs is cherry or slate. Sorry for the homeowner, and the bad guy's family, but not the deceased. He'd get the same treatment at Casa Dogfish. I have extra slate and cherry flooring.
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#550113 - 10/28/09 04:30 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: One Way]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
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Dogfish, with slate and hardwood. it would be an easy clean up no need to replace any of your fine surfaces. Unless you use a shotgun, there's a good chance there'll be a hole or a chip in the floor or panelling, depending on trajectory. Unless the bullet(s) lodge in the spine. Too bad you can't sue next of kin for damages incurred while doing the world a favor. "I had to put five holes in my front door and one in my hardwood floor because of him!!" 
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#550132 - 10/28/09 04:58 PM
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[Re: Irie]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2533
Loc: Elma
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Then again the holes in the hardwood, would make a nice conversation piece when my daughters brought their dates home.
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#550168 - 10/28/09 05:57 PM
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[Re: Rocket Red]
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Registered: 03/08/99
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How about asking for the head to mount on the wall...after the crime scene is finished up of course?
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#550174 - 10/28/09 06:08 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Salmo g.]
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Parr
Registered: 12/08/00
Posts: 68
Loc: UNIVERSITY PLACE,WA
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I use a progressive defense load pattern in my 357.The first two rounds are snakeshot.That won't stop anybody but stings like hell.
The next two rounds are semi wad cutters loaded backwards.Those won't penetrate but will knock you down.The third two rounds are 158 gr. jacketed hollow points with the hollow points drilled out and shotgun primers pressed in backwards.I call these disrupters.If I have to get to those your probably going to be cut in half.If I get called on whether I used excessive force,I can point out that he would't stop on the non lethal rounds.This also helps if a child has got a hold of the weapon.The snakeshot probably won't seriously injure anybody but should scare the hell out of the child if he discharges the weapon.If needs be in a confrontational situation,I can get six rounds off in under four seconds.
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#550179 - 10/28/09 06:20 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Tim M.]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
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I just use 230g Speer Gold out of a .45 ACP. Flying ashtray.
Not shooting up the door. That's Cherry as well.
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#550191 - 10/28/09 06:40 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dogfish]
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
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Loc: Mitulaville
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I just use 230g Speer Gold out of a .45 ACP. Flying ashtray. Amen, Brother Andy! Amen! If you're gonna do it, do it RIGHT the first time, as you probably won't get too many mulligan's or do-overs in a home invasion scenario.
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#550198 - 10/28/09 06:59 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Tim M.]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
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The third two rounds are 158 gr. jacketed hollow points with the hollow points drilled out and shotgun primers pressed in backwards.I call these disrupters. I'm curious to see what those would do in Ballistic Gel or a block of clay.
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#550200 - 10/28/09 07:05 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Irie]
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Parr
Registered: 12/08/00
Posts: 68
Loc: UNIVERSITY PLACE,WA
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I don't know.It would be interesting to find out.I did shoot a piece of 4x4 piece of wood and it took it right in half.I did another round in a huge pumpkin.I m guessing it weighed about 150 pounds.the biggest piece was about six inchs .When I shot the 4x4 you could hear the primer go off.I didn't hear it with the pumpkin.
Edited by Tim M. (10/28/09 07:07 PM)
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#550217 - 10/28/09 08:00 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: seastrike]
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I'm not short, I'm 'fun size'
Registered: 12/25/07
Posts: 1492
Loc: Mulletville
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I asked a policeman who was issueing me a police report after my house was burglerized if I can shoot the bad guys if I'm home....
He said sure. Make sure they're not kids. Make sure you shoot them in the front side. Make sure he has a weapon. If no weapon give him one.
Make sure he's dead. You can get your ass sued if he's not dead.
Word. Dead men dont talk.
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#550219 - 10/28/09 08:10 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Tim M.]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13589
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I love the way this forum can be so educational. Now I need to learn what snakeshot is, semi wad cutters, hollowpoints I think I know, and shotgun primers backwards totally has me scratching my head.
I think Dogfish subscribes to the "any job worth doing, is worth doing well" school of thought. But it poses greater risk to the new house.
So how many seconds in a home intrusion scenario? I remember reading something by a Marine guy about a so many second or so many feet rule - like a guy coming at you with a knife leaves you so many seconds within so many feet of distance for you to identify a bad guy, draw your weapon, aim, and fire accurately enough to stop said bad guy before he stabs you with the pig sticker. As interesting as it was, I seem to have forgotten the important details, except that being armed doesn't ensure being protected.
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#550222 - 10/28/09 08:20 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: seastrike]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/15/00
Posts: 2952
Loc: Olalla, WA
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I asked a policeman who was issueing me a police report after my house was burglerized if I can shoot the bad guys if I'm home....
He said sure. Make sure they're not kids. Make sure you shoot them in the front side. Make sure he has a weapon. If no weapon give him one.
Make sure he's dead. You can get your ass sued if he's not dead.
And if you shoot him in your yard, drag him into the house......and put another slug in him.
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#550227 - 10/28/09 08:44 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: NOFISH]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
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The rule is the 21 foot rule.
An assailant with a knife who is 21 feet away will likely stab you before you can draw, clear, and engage your weapon. That's what we were taught. With a determined person from outside of that range, you'll still likely get cut unless you connect with bone or spine with your shots.
Center mass, and don't stop shooting till they stop moving. Remove the threat.
My close encounter as a Denny's manager was 8 feet in the vestibule where the video games and phone are, and as a deputy my encounter was about 10. Luckily for all they complied immediately upon seeing my weapon. I upgraded to a .45 ACP after those encounters.
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#550265 - 10/28/09 10:21 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dogfish]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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As much as I hate multi-level houses, having the bedroom up off the main floor seems like a great advantage in reacting to a burglary.
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#550268 - 10/28/09 10:30 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Egg
Registered: 10/26/09
Posts: 4
Loc: Somewhere out there
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Just watch the homeowner get sued now.....
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#550271 - 10/28/09 10:35 PM
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[Re: BAMCIS]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
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Who's the dude 21 feet away? Usain Bolt?
That seems like a lot of ground to cover before someone airs you out.
Looks like that dude should have broken into a house in Seattle or Portland. You're bound to get shot breaking into a house in Toledo.
Good for the old fella for making his stand..........in his own home.
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#550272 - 10/28/09 10:37 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Carcass
Registered: 09/26/06
Posts: 2269
Loc: Where ever Dogfish tells me to...
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150lbs of Doberman is my early warning device (two dogs), loud toothy and fairly protective. After that it is either a .45 (I like flying ashtrays) or the trusty .357 mag.
I was told the same thing as SeaStrike by the officer responding to my break in call(neither the Dobies or I were home during the incident). Dead men tell no tales .. (and they can't hire attorneys) .. .
I also learned the same theory as DogFish, keep firing until the weapon is empty or the threat is neutralized/down/dead/no longer a threat.
Salmo, another portion of the shotgun as best home defense weapon is that if fired, wether you hit the target or not the assailant will be scared sh!tless, mostly deaf and blind and easy to track by the smell they will be emitting from their drawers as they flee the scene . . .
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#550276 - 10/28/09 10:45 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dogfish]
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April Fool
Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
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I just use 230g Speer Gold out of a .45 ACP. Flying ashtray.
Not shooting up the door. That's Cherry as well. Speer gold dot is the shi t..I like their fast burning powder specially designed for .38 snubby + P for my carry gun.
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#550293 - 10/28/09 11:08 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/27/00
Posts: 2447
Loc: Stumpy Acres
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Later you fukin thief!!! Serves the dumass right!!! I applaud the guy that drilled em!! 
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#550299 - 10/28/09 11:24 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dan S.]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
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Looks like that dude should have broken into a house in Seattle or Portland.
Seems to me having a Lezbaru in the driveway with one of those faggy "CoExIsT" Sickers on the back is like an open invitation for a home-invasion robbery. There's probably a good reason you don't see too many of those in places like Toledo...(one of them being the pickups full of Rednecks looking for someone to lynch.)
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#550302 - 10/28/09 11:30 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Irie]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/27/00
Posts: 2447
Loc: Stumpy Acres
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Thinkin I will put a sign on my door that says 'Try it Mutherfuker' just to provoke a retard to kick the door in  Because as irie would say "you cant beat dicks meat" but you sure as helll can shoot a hole in him so big a truck could drive through.
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#550305 - 10/28/09 11:34 PM
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[Re: Irie]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/27/00
Posts: 2447
Loc: Stumpy Acres
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There's probably a good reason you don't see too many of those in places like Toledo...(one of them being the pickups full of Rednecks looking for someone to lynch.) I bet its not just anyone more then likely a fukin retard tryin to rob an old man  These communities are tight and I cant say thats a bad thing if ya lived in seattle the dude next door would watch someone break in and say "not my business" and walk in his house....
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#550330 - 10/29/09 12:05 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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April Fool
Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
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If someone pulls a home invasion on our house..they have waived all of their rights at that point and will be SHOT DEAD..END OF STORY.
I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6.
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#550346 - 10/29/09 12:31 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Spawner
Registered: 10/18/04
Posts: 502
Loc: Whatcom
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It always boggles my simple mind, how a homeowner can be sued for wounding a would-be robber, assailant, etc... [censored] ain't right.
I concur with Sol Duc. Enter my home, might as well hang a target on yourself.
Thrasher - I know that once the perp has been identified as such via 110 lumens of blinding light, he would be issued a warning, Only if there was time. Then proceed to send 230 grains of .45ACP down the pipe and send him to meet his maker. Why a .45? No need for followup shots!!!
I don't think anyone wants to take the life of another, I know I don't, but if they put you in fear for your life or the lives of your loved ones, ... The answer is simple.
I heard a stastic once, that nationally, the average gun fight is 3 seconds at 3 feet. Anyone hear that one ?????
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#550366 - 10/29/09 01:21 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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Carcass
Registered: 09/26/06
Posts: 2269
Loc: Where ever Dogfish tells me to...
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Thrasher, My answer is YES.
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#550387 - 10/29/09 02:22 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
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Could you all realistically and without hesitation pull the trigger?
Yes, and not bat an eye.
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#550408 - 10/29/09 08:10 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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Sht, I'd probably get my ass shot. I'm old school. Guns never came into play...knives almost never....fists, Hell yeah. Did my share of split-lippin' with a knife in my pocket....never once crossed my mind to use it for anything more than a tool.
Yup......I'm toast.
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#550444 - 10/29/09 11:37 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: fishhog]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
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...proceed to send 230 grains of .45ACP down the pipe and send him to meet his maker. Why a .45? No need for followup shots!!! 
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#550480 - 10/29/09 12:47 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: goharley]
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Spawner
Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 708
Loc: Bellingham
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One thing that has crossed my mind many times, is how I would be judged by a jury. Would I get some tree huggin', life lovin', rainbow knitting, fairy do gooder? Or would I get a jury of people that think that my actions were truly justified? In the split second that I dropped the assailant, my life would forever change. I would either live with the image ingrained in my head of dropping the guy and thankful that my family was safe and carry on my life as normal. OR, I would now be locked up behind bars because I didn't call 911 and wait for them to respond.
Don't get me wrong, I know I would shoot, I'm just sayin'......
Seems like either way, it's a big gamble. Shoot and you could be screwed, don't shoot and you are screwed along with your loved ones.
I think it's a roll of the dice on how the jury is feeling that day.
I would like to think that somehow, someway justice would be served by the courts, but in the homeowners favor and not the slain assailants.
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#550487 - 10/29/09 01:09 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
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"I was in my own home, and I was in immediate fear for my safety and the safety of my family. The man kept coming, so I took the necessary steps to remove the threat. I'm a bit shaken right now, so that is all I will say. Anything else will need to go through my attorney."
Sya this and you will meet all of the requirements of the specific RCW.
9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.
[1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]
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#550489 - 10/29/09 01:12 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dogfish]
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Spawner
Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 708
Loc: Bellingham
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"I was in my own home, and I was in immediate fear for my safety and the safety of my family. The man kept coming, so I took the necessary steps to remove the threat. I'm a bit shaken right now, so that is all I will say. Anything else will need to go through my attorney."
Sya this and you will meet all of the requirements of the specific RCW.
9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.
[1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]
I like it.......in theory. Having it stand up in court is where I lose the faith.
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#550500 - 10/29/09 01:36 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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April Fool
Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
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Washington
The statute in Washington state appear to be very simply and broadly stated.[19]
The law allows use of deadly force in the lawful defense of oneself, a family member, or any other person, when there is reasonable ground to prevent action(s) of the person slain to commit a felony or to do injury or harm, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, on those in their presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which they are.
Washington state doesn’t have a specific Castle Doctrine law, but has no duty to retreat as precedent was set when the State Supreme Court found "that there is no duty to retreat when a person is assaulted in a place where he or she has a right to be
Edited by Sol Duc (10/29/09 01:37 PM)
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#550514 - 10/29/09 01:59 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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The people who have got into trouble are the ones who chase down a perp and execute him. Or the ones who's warped minds think they can execute someone for simply tresspassing.
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#550524 - 10/29/09 02:14 PM
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GoHarley - I was looking for that exact pic to go along with my previous post I think that generally speaking , most people on a jury if it actually came down to it, can sympathize with any home owner if they were standing before the judge. Just be thankful we don't live in Crazyfornia, otherwise all bet are off. I personally would like to throw Child Molesters into the same arena as home invaders. Molest my child, you'll end up in a wood box.
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#550536 - 10/29/09 02:50 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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Yeah but the other side of the coin is Texas where you CAN be shot for trespassing.
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#550559 - 10/29/09 03:41 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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Why a .45? No need for followup shots!!!
Truth be told, I had a great-uncle that took THREE .45 slugs in one sitting. Including one to the melon. It was a workplace 'postal' shooting at a jobsite in Oakland back in the 60's. He would have bought it then & there along with his two other coworkers if he hadn't been a civil engineer and wearing a metal pocket-protector. He took the one lodged in his skull and the one that ricocheted off the protector and traveled to his leg to his grave, 35 years later.
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#550734 - 10/30/09 12:44 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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That is a great example. That guy had focus.
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#551022 - 10/30/09 08:37 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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yup, got the drop on that attacking piece of paper and killed it dead....
nice group.
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#551181 - 10/31/09 03:01 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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There was no "Fear Factor" i.e the papercouldn't hurt him other than a nasty paper cut Nice shottin and good practice none the less
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#551218 - 10/31/09 10:30 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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I use a progressive defense load pattern in my 357.The first two rounds are snakeshot.That won't stop anybody but stings like hell.
The next two rounds are semi wad cutters loaded backwards.Those won't penetrate but will knock you down.The third two rounds are 158 gr. jacketed hollow points with the hollow points drilled out and shotgun primers pressed in backwards.I call these disrupters.If I have to get to those your probably going to be cut in half.If I get called on whether I used excessive force,I can point out that he would't stop on the non lethal rounds.This also helps if a child has got a hold of the weapon.The snakeshot probably won't seriously injure anybody but should scare the hell out of the child if he discharges the weapon.If needs be in a confrontational situation,I can get six rounds off in under four seconds. If the intruder is close enough, you wont get four shots. True, they would stop some, but keep in mind, a guys with a knife within 21 feet, will stab you, before you can draw and fire. Its taught in hand gun courses. If the guy has a gun, your buckshot isnt going to defend you. If the guy gets a chance to knock down your weapon, you got a problem. If hes still coming after the first shot, he could be on pcp or something else. The video example doesnt reallly give you a true example. Figure the age of the average assailant, they will move faster than the cardboard target. Practice helps. Does this scare you more than the cardboard? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGDmRfyuFM&NR=1
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#551283 - 10/31/09 04:39 PM
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Maybe that dipstick's "tough guy" status got trimmed down a bit when he had to change his shorts.
That doesn't make the bow hunting score charts, IMO....it does, however, make the "my stupidity almost got me/us killed" nominations.
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#551991 - 11/03/09 09:10 AM
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Registered: 06/11/07
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"The snakeshot probably won't seriously injure anybody but should scare the hell out of the child if he discharges the weapon."
Make sure a child doesn't get the weapon.
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#552279 - 11/04/09 02:52 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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Parr
Registered: 12/08/00
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I think that goes without saying.
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#552280 - 11/04/09 03:52 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/26/06
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No. Watching some tourist assf*ck on a canned hunt tag a hippo with a bow after its been blasted 2x with an elephant gun (watch it close) doesn't thrill me at all. Matter of fact, canned hunts rate up at about 9.9 on the all time pussy scale, right under...well I can't think of anything more pussy than a canned hunt, except maybe buying a military medal on Ebay and telling people you're a war hero. Or shooting a tied-up veal calf with a .505 Gibbs from the back of a truck and mounting the head on your wall. That reminds me--The Makah blasted their whale with an Elephant Rifle right before the "team" came up and poked it with a 'traditional' wooden harpoon. Very manly.
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