The massacre in AZ was a horrible tragedy carried out by a delusional, paranoid madman. If ever there was a use for the death penalty, now would be a good time.

I want to hear all your thoughts on what the Gubmit puts the smack-down on.

We have a GOP House, so Im guessing their fundraising powerhouse over at The NRA won't let them ban hi-cap mags or really do anything that might piss off their buddies at Springfield, S&W, or Colt.

What I personally predict is expanded DHS powers and full-time security details for federal officials.

That's my guess, anyway.

I doubt they'll start requiring psych evals for gun buyers, though. That would disqualify and disarm the entire John Birch Society.

CNN--On his YouTube page, a list of his favorite books included both Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' "The Communist Manifesto," along with works by George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Ken Kesey, Herman Hesse, Ernest Hemingway, Plato and Aesop's fables.

This could be a good argument for advocating legal concealed carry.

Do you EVER get it right? AZ is one of a few states that allow concealed carry W/O a permit.

Mebbe we should send some politicians there. J/KING Kinda.

Many believe you should just STFU................and start now.

Really....................just put a cork in your pie hole bait donkey.

Dogfish got it right but omitted some key facts. There was a bystander with a gun. He took the safety off his gun, rushed to the scene and knocked a person who had subdued the shooter into a wall before realizing that he almost shot the hero who had actaully subdued the gunman. The armed hero potentially shot the true hero and was admittedly lucky he did not.

http://www.slate.com/id/2280794/

These facts don't help convince me that having more people carry would help in these situations.

That Slate article was such a pieece of crap loaded with a bunch of "what if" situations. "What if" the mom had aborted this piece of crap before he started all of this?

The author of the article discounted gun owner's "what if" argument and then made his case with his own "what if" argument. What I did was talk about what ACTULALLY HAPPENED, and not what "MIGHT" have happened. What you had was a situation where the guy took in what was happening and reacted, moving towards gunfire. He didn't draw down on anybody. Yes, he had his firearm on him, but he kept it concealed. There was no "potentially shot" person out there, other than in your own mind. Someone got shoved against the wall. So what? Go join your flock of sheep.

The real heroes out there were the men in their 70's who shielded their wives from gunfire and ended up taking rounds for their efforts. One died, one survived. Those men are representative of our greatest generation. I fear quite honestly that we have become a nation of pussies, with few men that actually have the balls to take action when necessary. Instead we have men who would mock someone who approached gunfire, while armed, didn't draw or shoot someone, and helped to detain the suspect. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Fawk you. Go get a latte and buy your meat from the store.

I'll be that guy, with more training than the guy whose integrity you are trying to impune, that will be running towards the gunfire. Hopefully I will have a few other folks I know here who also have proper training on my side.

You guys are all making my point for me...

The right wing nuts think the 9 year old girl should have had an Uzi and shot him herself, and the left wing nuts (note that none of them are here, this is an all right wing nut party so far) would say that no one should have been armed, and this wouldn't have ever happened.

Fish on...

Todd

Sol Duc,

Uhhh... You can legally carry in a bank. I wouldn't suggest open carry without discussing it with the bank security first, but it is legal. A few clients conceal carry that I've seen printing (gun shaped bulge under clothing, not a cell phone). Only 1 open carries. A few bankers I know carry, but the concensus is that if no shots are fired, give money and get them out the door as fast as possible. Hurt a teller or a customer, and it is game on.

Also, the boolits wouldn't hurt if they weren't moving fast. As usual, speed kills.

( I do like the new avatar, Sol Duc)

I'll be that guy, with more training than the guy whose integrity you are trying to impune, that will be running towards the gunfire. Hopefully I will have a few other folks I know here who also have proper training on my side.

Yes, I fully realize that Mr. Rocket scientist. Did I say it was illegal in Arizona? Many believe this type of event is the exact reason for the advocacy of concealed carry in a legal manor.
The man near the event who was carrying said he couldn't shoot because he couldn't do so safely according to the news story I saw. Maybe someone with a different line of sight could have had different results.

Since then I've only been "spotted" twice. Once by an undercover Secret Service agent, "If I see you here Thursday you will leave that gun at home," and once by an ATF agent, "So ah what you carrying there son." Both where very cool and respectful but damn I was surprised at how easily they spotted it!

That neon green fanny pack is usually a dead give-away.

Do you EVER get it right? AZ is one of a few states that allow concealed carry W/O a permit.

Now that this thread's been successfully hijacked, lets bring on the kittens!

We have a GOP House, so Im guessing their fundraising powerhouse over at The NRA won't let them ban hi-cap mags or really do anything that might piss off their buddies at Springfield, S&W, or Colt.

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So we might be OK, we will see just how fast these get pushed .

We need more of these Men!