Not you.

92 percent of Americans favor closing the "gun show loophole" for handguns...make it so that you cannot buy a handgun without a background check.

Even 78 percent of NRA members think that this entirely reasonable policy is a good idea.

So, at hearings today when that idea was floated by LaPierre, what was his response?

No.

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA have never...ever...represented the majority of Americans...now he isn't even representing the thoughts of more than 3/4 of his own organization's members.

If he doesn't represent NRA members, then who does he represent?

The same folks that the NRA and LaPierre have always used your money to represent...the gun and ammo industry.

They've never cared about you beyond your membership dues, and while you may have argued about it before so that you wouldn't have to face the obvious buyer's remorse of wasting your money on those fools in the past, it's kind of hard to argue with it now.

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA have one client...the gun and ammo industry. They have one job...to lobby for whatever makes them the most money.

And they use your money to do it, even when 78% of you don't agree with how LaPierre and the NRA are using it.

Just in case there were Americans who didn't realize before how fukked up the NRA is, thanks to LaPierre they know it now.

We're not talking about the straw man of "banning all guns, oh no!"...we're talking about selling handguns without proving that you have the right to carry.

How hard is this?

Fish on...

Todd

I think you put that on the wrong thread, Hank, since it has exactly "nothing" to do with the topic.

Fish on...

Todd

as a former NRA member i wonder how they get there money. it cost 35 a year in dues and you get 100 in benefits. so where does the 65 over dues come from? where does the lobby money come from? where does the money to pay Wayne LaPierre come from? maybe gun manufactures pay for it all.

Hank, I'll type slowly for you.

92% of Americans want to close the gun show loophole.

78% of NRA members (the ones who the NRA claims to represent) want to close the gun show loophole.

Guess what percent of the NRA's lobbyists was to close the gun show loophole?

Zero percent.

Larry, their money comes from their real clients, the gun and ammo industry. They use the chumps who pay membership dues to them to claim up all the voters they represent, but they clearly don't care what those people say.

The NRA and LaPierre are the gun and ammo industry's sock puppet.

Fish on...

Todd

Hey Todd,
Bull Chit,
Nuff said

+1, Hank

Todd, what gun show loop holes? If you buy a handgun from a retailer at any gunshow in WA. you are subjected to an instant background check. Is the loophole you are referring to for when you buy from a private party?

Explain to me the part that's bullschit.

Katmai, yes, that's the "gun show loophole".

78% of NRA members approve of it, 0% of NRA lobbyists approve of it.

Keep sending in your money, chumps.

Fish on...

Todd

And Hank, since you're clearly unable to stick to the topic, I'll take a stab at yours...

Who opposes funding the ATF for purposes of federal gun law prosecutions?

I'm going to give you a hint:

The GOP and the NRA, every time.

They, nor you, can whine like little bitches that prosecutions are down.

Fish on...

Todd

And, while you're puzzling over complex issues like "how does 78% equal 0%?" and "why would the GOP and NRA lobby against the ATF?", here's another brain twister for you:

Which lobbyists and which political party have worked together to reduce the CDC's funding to research gun violence BY 96%?

Here's another hint:

The NRA and the GOP.

Hah! I bet that one caught you by surprise.

Fish on...

Todd

The fact of the matter is that the NRA doesn't care fuckall nothing about Americans, safety, or the 2nd Amendment.

All they care about is their corporate masters' bottom lines, which depend on selling as many guns as possible. It's why their mantra is that "more guns is always the answer, to any question, any time, anywhere, any way."

Fear and stupidity are their favorite things...because they lead to money in their coffers.

Fish on...

Todd

They don't represent me Todd!

You can't prosecute crimes that aren't investigated, and that's what the ATF does...and the GOP votes and the NRA lobbies every year to reduce the ATF's budget for investigating gun crimes.

With the CDC I'm not talking generally, I'm talking about two groups that have actively lobbied for the removal of, and then the actual removal of funding specifically for gun violence research.

You are sucking hard on this entire thread, Hank.

Fish on...

Todd

Not a fan of the NRA.



Not a fan of the ATF or other alphabet soup assholes. Guilty of entrapment, murder, civil rights violations, and nobody so much as lost their jobs. Far from a bible thumper, agnostic actually, but all everybody below wanted was just to be left alone. FBI director Louis Freeh disciplined or proposed discipline for twelve FBI employees over their handling of the incident......



















As much as I don't like the NRA, they are the lesser of the two evils.

Koresh was a nutcase...

Ruby Ridge on the other hand, never should have happened, ever, ever ever... ever

the NRA is probably worse for gun owners than they are good...

Don't disagree at all that Koresh was a loon, however, nothing that he did ever justified an all out armed assault on a compound housing women and children. People are allowed to be eccentric in this country. It is an unalianable right.

Yeah, but he and his followers were accused of being in violation of numerous federal firearms laws, and when a search warrant was served to investigate those charges they barricaded, fired on federal agents, and eventually torched themselves.

I do not feel sorry for the adults that perished there...they made their looney bed and had to lie in it.

I do feel very sorry for all of the children of those loonies that got killed thanks to their parents' looniness.

Being eccentric doesn't allow you to be in violation of the law, and being eccentric doesn't mean you can torch yourself and your children when it's time to pay the piper.

Fish on...

Todd

There is no such thing (in this state) as the "gunshow loophole". That's bullsh.it spewed by dipsh.its that get their talking points from Huffpo and Piers Morgan and then regurgitate it for the umpteenth time on a fishing board.

You are wrong.

In this state you can buy a handgun at a gun show without having ever had a background check, or anywhere else for that matter, if you aren't buying it from a registered dealer.

Nationwide that accounts for about 40% of the gun sales...guns that pass from one individual to another without the buyer ever proving that they are legally entitled to or sane enough to buy or own a handgun.

If we're going to blame gun violence on nuts instead of guns, then you can't prevent us all from finding out if you're a nut or not before you buy a handgun.

Fish on...

Todd

And you can do that in most states...on the west coast it's notable that Oregon and California have closed that loophole themselves.

Fish on...

Todd

not totally true Todd...

you have to be a WAC member in order to buy a gun at a gunshow here...

im pretty sure most gangsters and felons arent WAC members...

that goes for ANY gun, working or not, parts, ect...

I am NOT wrong!!! You are Todd, as usual...but don't let me slow ya' down.

Please continue...I am interested in how a person can go to a gunshow and walk out (legally) having purchased a firearm without having "ever" gone thru a NICS check.

Type slow for me.

who knows where they got them... and i dont know the rules of that state...

here in Washington, you MUST be a member of the Washington Arms Collectors group in order to purchase ANY firearm at ANY gunshows in this state, to join the WAC, you can either have a CPL (Concealed Pistol Lisence, that requires a background check, duh) or, pay like 12 bucks to have them run a background check on you... if you fail, you dont get in, and you wont be buying guns at any shows in this state...

it has nothing to do with gunshows here, elsewhere, i dont know how they operate...

..and the recent shootings all would have been prevented if it wasn't for the danged gunshow loophole. One more law and they'd show us that they can stop crazy people from doing despicable, crazy sh.it.

More people have died in one year from the ATF giving away guns than from all the guns sold in all the gunshows ever in this country.

If it really was about the children we'd be closing the "ATF loophole".

"The search warrant was justified not on the basis there was proof that the Davidians had purchased anything illegal, but on the basis that they could be modifying legal arms to illegal arms"

I have AR15 lowers. I have M16 bolt carriers. Yes, they could be modified into illegal arms, but they are not.

Using this logic, a block of steel "could be" modified into a Thompson sub machine gun.

The sheriff told the ATF to go talk to them. Instead they chose another approach.

You are so wrong RH......

Washington Arms Collectors is simply ONE promoter out of many.

Not all gun shows require membership and certainly "Non WAC" shows do not recognize and/or require WAC membership.

Dealers, at all shows, are required to run the NICS check.

You should really stop commenting on things you know little to nothing about.

Your above posts proves this point.

BTW.......Todd is correct on CERTAIN aspects of his above posts.....Sorry

Come on RH, don't be giving away the militias secrets....at least make sure Todd knows the secret handshake and has his hood and robe clean and pressed first.

Todd'll be back in a few minutes....right now he's set off the smoke alarm in his Moms basement. His computer 'research' on what he's already claimed to know is currently in warp speed.

You may not be a fan, but you might not have the guns and laws if it wasn't for them. They're not perfect, but I'm sure DAMN glad they're around.

I've never been to a gunshow in WA where a non-member can purchase a firearm.

i didnt know there was more, i thought the Monroe and the Puyallup ones were the only ones in this state, and they are both WAC shows... although, its a high probability on the east side of the mountians, there are gun shows, that have similar requirements... if not, they need to be addressed immeadiately...

what other shows are there?

WAC, in fact, is one of the few shows that require membership.

Trust me on this one buddy......

All require you to pay an entrance fee however.

Todd, cut your wrists, It will help lower your blood pressure.

I trust you as you 'do' them, I don't but I have never been to one in this state that didn't require a BR check to purchase.

Is there a bigger group in this state than WAC?

Plenty......

The transactions with private parties, at these shows, are simply face to face private party sales.

All gun show promoters, in this and other states, would be smart to follow WAC's policy on this issue.

WAC adopted this policy 25+ years ago.

They were and are, even with all of the current issues, ahead of the curve on this one.

As I stated earlier, Licensed Dealers are required to run NICS checks, where applicable.

Todd, you should run for president man.

You see the obvious no one else can see.

You are always right, never wrong.

You can cut right through all the bullchit and tell us all the real truth.

You are always there to educate the ignorant masses, especially about how wrong they are, and how right you are. Right beyond doubt even.

Should be a lock Bro. Save us all in your infinite wisdom.

TODD FOR PREZ 2016!!!!!

WAC is the largest promoter in the State of Washington, however there are numerous other smaller promoters that are not affiliated with WAC.

Here you go.

There are others that run shows in Washington but are based out of Oregon and Idaho that do not appear on this link.

http://www.americangunshows1.com/gunshows/wa-gunshows.htm

well then the state can pass a law and make the WAC state affiliated and that their rules are whats going to happen...

i dont know if thats a good thing, or a bad thing..

What's your gut feeling about the gunshow "loophole"?

PS...I have a 1919 beltfed in .308....need another one?lol

No......WAC is a private promoter and club with a defined Federal Tax status.

RH, I know you mean well however you are way off base with most of your comments / ideas on this subject.

As far as the "Gun Show Loophole" goes, it is simply a made-up term for the politicians to use to sensationalize an issue.

Non dealer sales at a gun show are simply private party face to face sales that could happen nearly anywhere in this state.

The only difference is that the gun show offers a common meeting place.

IN MY OPINION...........ALL promoters should require membership to be able to purchase at the show and that membership should require a background check prior to being issued.

Class 3 or semi?

As noted above, you do not have to pass a NICS test to buy a handgun at a gunshow, or anywhere else in Washington State for that matter, unless you are buying a gun from a registered dealer.

That's also the case in the majority of the states in the country...and accounts for 40% of the handgun sales in the country, too.

The NRA, and assorted fruits and nuts, all blame gun violence on crazy people, not guns...yet they still argue against having background checks for every handgun sale...every time.

Here's the map that shows where you do NOT need a NICS check to buy a handgun from someone other than a licensed dealer (at gun shows or otherwise):

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html

If you are a responsible gun owner, and truly believe that guns are not a problem but that people who shouldn't have guns are the problem, then why in God's name would you argue against making sure that everyone who buys a handgun has to go thru a NICS check?

There's no reason at all.

Fish on...

Todd

Todd, I owe you an apology. I've not been to a gun show in this state that didn't require a BR check. In the scheme of things it's still a very small, insignificant number but I'm wrong and apologize. If we get a chance to meet someday I'll but you the first 2 drinks.

Dogfish, Semi....sorry.

No worries, RvW...but those face to face sales that don't require a background check account for FORTY PERCENT of all handgun transfers in the entire nation.

Forty percent.

That means of the millions of gun sales that take place every year 40% of the new owners did not have to go thru a NICS check to obtain a handgun.

All they needed was cash.

If "guns don't kill people, people kill people" and we don't want to do anything about the guns, then we have to do something about the people, and making sure that felons and crazy people don't get guns is so obviously the very first and most important step that I'm amazed that anyone would be against it.

Anyone, that is, except for the NRA.

I'm not surprised at all that they are against it...in contradiction to 78% of their membership.

Why?

Also as noted above...they don't represent gun owners, they represent the guns and ammo industry, and they are after one thing...money.

Fish on...

Todd

In all fairness I don't oppose the NICS check. For purely selfish reasons it alleviates a lot of liability on my end if the FBI (NICS) gives someone a "proceed" and they do harm with that firearm (God forbid). I've also refused to sell (transfer) a firearm EVEN after a "proceed" from NICS. No sale or transfer is worth my conscience.

I could live with backround checks for all but in reality it would have NO impact, especially as it relates to the last several mass shootings.

The most regulated areas have some of the worst gun violence. I wish there was an easy solution but with 300million people I'm afraid it's not possible.

I read a great essay and will try and get permission to post it here.

I have never been against NICS background checks on arms length transactions. Handing a firearm down to a family member is another issue for me.

At least now we're all on the same page here and can go back to the topic I first posted about.

If 92% of Americans are in favor of closing that loophole, and 78% of NRA members are in favor of closing that loophole, why is the NRA lobbying against closing that loophole?

Who do they represent if they are ignoring nearly four out of five of their dues paying members?

Their corporate puppet masters, that's who...and Wayne LaPierre is the King Sock Puppet.

Fish on...

Todd

Randy, not sure where your post went asking about the numbers, but here's a response anyway:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/18/us/new-york-times-cbs-poll-on-guns.html

Scroll down to "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gun buyers?"

In Favor: 92% Opposed: 7%

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr006-12.shtml

"74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun."

That one is from last May...I know there's a more current one with higher percentages yet, but couldn't find it in a few minutes of searching...if I get to it tomorrow I'll see if I can find it.

You'll also note in the poll that a majority of NRA members think gun owners should have to pass a safety test to get a permit, be over 21 to get a permit, that only folks who have not committed a violent misdemeanor (or felony) be given a permit, and that anyone with a past arrest for domestic violence should get a permit.

The NRA, of course, opposes every single one of those things...things that a majority of its members want.

Again...who exactly does the NRA represent?

Not its members, that's obvious.

Fish on...

Todd

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Well it seems apparent that the NRA represents the gun lobby and guns rights in general. I am not a member of the NRA and all my guns are papered with me as the owner. I have never been to a gun show and I am not too interested in that sort of thing. Seems to me that the no paper trail "loop hole" is a good way to get around certain laws. Basically my view of the NRA is that it is like an "open shop" union. All gun owners to some extent are effected by its policies and agendas. I am not a big fan, but the way I see it they ARE the only group with any sway on capital hill lobbying for our gun rights. Even though they seem tainted with power at least they are standing up for something. They seem to be the only representation up there for us. Its a double edged sword. Unfortunately the NRA seems like a necessary evil for now.

On another note I am deeply concerned over one thing that this proposed package deal is not getting a lot of attention comparatively speaking. That is the matter of banning all "armor piecing" ammo. By Mr. Kennedy's definition that that includes even hunting ammo like 30-06. Anything that could potentially penetrate body armor is fare game to be banned. Not just the FMJ military surplus ammo. This is a just another excuse to limit our ability to use high powered rifle ammo. Basically we could get regulated out of shooting or priced out of the market. Military surplus ammo is cheap and an economical practice ammo. When was the last time this type of ammo was used to shoot through body armor in the US outside of testing? Where are the numbers justifying banning this ammo? This smells foul.

The real problem I see is we need change, but we cannot trust that the folks on the hill are going to do this in an honest manner.

How often would background checks have to be made to make sure that a person isn't suffering from a dangerous mental disorder?

I've Never belonged to the NRA, and have no intention of joining now. It's been obvious for most of my life that they don't represent the American Gun Owner, only the People that make Guns and Ammunition.

Tom

The Third ??

From reading this thread and especially Todd's posts I get the impression that the main line of bitcherprime's thrust is; he resents anything that seems a facsimile of the US government.

NRA and proud of it.

BTW like the weather. everyone complains about it and yet nothing is ever done about it. Knee jerk politics, knee jerk legislation, knee jerk media
hysteria. ad nauseau. If you really want the government to be in every
face to face, person to person activity, go for it. You will deserve the
results.

Read "Unintended Consequences" if you can find it. More info there on
Waco and Ruby Ridge. Yep kill all religious zealots. That's the answer.

Here's a couple of right wing terrorists who didn't like the ATF, FBI, government, etc, and blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City. Terry Nichols should have been sentenced to death but us taxpayers are keeping him alive in bomber's row. Timothy McVeigh was executed.

Terry Nichols

Timothy McVeigh

So it seems we all pretty much agree that we should crack down on the Nuts with Guns right?

(I bet that's going to hurt )

The NRA has motives. They started a rumor that Obama had started a drive to ban ALL guns. This was right after the first election. I searched every piece I could find on the subject and as it turned out he had NEVER said anything close. As a matter of fact it wasn't even on a priority list or any other list. So, why would they start a rumor like that? This is the same NRA that George Bush senior canceled his subscription to because they called the FBI a bunch of jack booted thugs. Look it up. Hank, if you were the president and a multitude of innocent people and mostly children have been killed over relatively short period of time, and you’re getting pressure from law enforcement , parents of dead children and a sh1t load of other groups how would you handle it? I believe in the right to own guns and I also believe that people kill people and not guns. I carry a titanium 38 everywhere I go. BUT, if you look at some of the stupid, dick headed, dumb ass d-bags that are buying guns at some of the gun shows without a background check it’s like giving a baby a razor blade to play with. Unfortunately in this case other people get hurt and not just the baby. Even if they don’t as of yet have a criminal record they should not be allowed to carry or buy a gun period! A lot of, if not all of the assholes that are mass killing people have mental issues. Granted some of them were using guns that belong to parents or relatives but most were not. These people are mentally ill. So should we wrap a nice assault rifle with a 30 round mag and give it to them for Christmas? That crazy bastard in Aurora Colorado was a f#cking nut case. All you had to do was look at his face it had nut case written all over it. Do you think that he would be denied a rifle at a gun show? F#ck no! That’s the kind of sh1t people are sick of. The NRA is just another extension of the current mean spirited, slimy, greedy pseudo Christians in the Republican Party, pseudo Christians that don’t even come close to being a real Christian. You can just feel the hate and disdain they have for a black president. They can’t stand it. I’ve said this before the only reason they voted for a Mormon was to stop a black man from being elected. If there was another non-Mormon candidate they would have voted for him as long as the candidate was white. So again, let’s start rumors and anything else we can do to get that black bastard out of office! Would that ease a lot of this? I bet you would love it wouldn’t Hank?! It’s funny that those great conservative politicians you are voting for are f#cking you right where you sit and you just keep voting for them. I hope it hurts when you sit down! If you have kids regardless of their ages it might be time to think about the kind of world we are leaving them. You and I probably won’t be here when the sh1t hits the fan but they w

JFC. I just read this thread. You never cease to amaze. I honestly don't get it? You need to expand your world. And the next time you post, think about how wrong you were and how that you could possible be wrong again.

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Heck, the guy just discovered Centralia.

JFC you obviously really like following me around, guess what genius, i found the rest right after i posted that...

i dont go around looking for ways to go to shady gun shows and get guns the WRONG way... i go to the MAIN one that everyone knows about if i choose to go...

i also wasnt "wrong" dingbat, i also never told Todd he was "wrong", i said not entirely true...

for WAC shows, i was dead right... so just like i said to Todd, im not "totally correct", but im not "dead wrong"...

JFC is right...

I remember my first bird bomb's as a kid from a gun show...

And exactly how would you know that they are "shady"?

The promoters listed above are far from "shady".....

And what is the "WRONG way"?

On second thought ......nevermind......

JFC...

you know exactly what im saying Randy...

the WRONG way for me, is to purchase a firearm off of someone who i know nothing about, never have talked to, just met at a gunshow and they had something i liked...

even when i bought my AR, we both filled out a form (that we typed, with our information) at his apartment, signed it, and he sent it to where it needed to go... that is what the owner of the gun wanted, he was a Mayor in Oregon, and i had no problems doing as he asked... we knew each other tho...

i have friends that have tried to sell me guns before, but i have not purchased them, because i know how some of them are... im not going to do that , im not stupid...

i purchase my weapons after having the correct checks done on me, which i have never been denied, nor will i ... if i know you, yeah we can work a deal, unless i know what you have done or what you continue to do, then if i dont agree with it, i wont buy it from you...

because im responsible...

commence to flaming...

Don't even bother..

You're friends are thieves?

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Ironic to be sure.

That's a good one Eddie.

I don't which is worse.....a coward with a gun......or a coward without one.

Slab,

That probably depends. However, if you were around at the time, you'd know it's presumptuous to assume Vietnam era draft dodgers were cowards. Most were voicing their disapproval of the war, the nations most unpopular ever.

Sg

One would wonder how many freaks would go into schools and theaters and shoot every one they could if they new it was illegal to show it on TV. Maybe they should start to show more suicide. Guess they wouldn't have enough time for all the other wonderful events they cover. What ever sales comercials I guess.

possible fix:

If found guilty of murder, rape, armed anything you get one appeal if you have grounds. If you are found guilty again or have no grounds for an appeal you are put to death.

For lesser crimes you go to work to provide for law abiding people that can't get by on there own.

you drop out of school ya get a job/pay taxes(not that thats a bad thing) or a [Bleeeeep!] one will be given to you.
see above.


I have no problem how much money anyone makes as long as its legal.

I'm not worried about Remington, Winchester, Browning, SnW and Colt while Shell, Mobil and Standard are holding us hostage. Almost like gov works for them.huh

This country is going to kill itself trying to keep the growing mass of lazy, spoiled, idiots that think the world owes them security and everything else comfortable. The longer it does the less I want it to know what I own.

Hope my kids don't give up fighting for the 2nd and have to move onto the 3rd.


thanks for the Vid Slab. Ya learned me sumpin

But generally not at gun shows, every gun show I have been too, 95%+ of the tables are dealers and required to do background checks.

Tinfoil hats, not just for birthers anymore.

Guns larger than 50 caliber are banned from civilian ownership, is this a violation of the second amendment?

yes
but dont bother swatting at flys while an alligator is chewing on your ass.
When we need the Howitzers I know a guy

At what point do you consider the second amendment infringed?

BTW, with the proper permits you can own a rifle larger than 50 caliber..

No that right there is funny shiit!!!

The point is many weapons are already banned, and it doesn't violate the second amendment, so banning any particular weapon or magazine doesn't violate anyone's right to own or bear arms, unless your a complete idiot and can't pass the back ground checks.

Careful Illahee, you're making too much sense.

guns larger than .50 cal are not banned from civilian ownership... we will leave out the .54 cal Hawken since its a muzzle loader, but here are a few cartridges..

.577 (T Rex)
.577 Nitro
.600 Overkill
.600 Nitro
.700 Nitro

If I were King I would ban stupid, which would greatly reduce the membership on the website.

Please try to keep up Hank, my comment was in referance to banning assault weapons and the second amendment, clearly the problem is guns getting into the hands of people that don't know right from wrong, but that's a mental health issue.
And yes you would be one of those voted off the island, not because your stupid, but rather the fact you choose to be that way.

what is an assault weapon?

a weapon used to assault people?

start banning "assault weapons", and criminals will use the much cheaper method.... and way more damaging... a shotgun

banning the .50 cal will do nothing as well.. how many drive bys, bank robberies, and mass shootings were commited with a 35 pound rifle? (i do know of 1 possible Wells Fargo Truck heist that may have happened).. how many airplanes have been shot down (thats what they say will happen), with said cartridge on American soil...

why on earth would a caliber even be talked about? is a .50 BMG going to kill you more than a .30-06? or lets go even lower, a .222 Swift?

thats just ridiculous...

Have you ever been issued an assault weapon? You must first pass a rigorous training program, followed by hands on proficiency live fire testing.
Why do you suppose that is Hank?
So I do believe without extensive training, civilians should not own assult weapons, besides what do they really need them for?

well the "assault" weapons you are reffering to are all full auto/selective fire rifles and guns... so if that is what classifies an "assault" weapon, civilians cant own them unless going through a rigorous background check and paying out the yang to obtain one... and not all states even allow it regardless if you have a class 3 or not...

if you are labeling something an "assault" weapon, just because it looks like one, thats just stupid...

just because it looks like a Vette, doesnt mean that 4 cylinder under the hood will make it perform like one...

I think your one of the people who should not be allowed to own any kind of gun, or any sharp objects for that matter.

Or they just ban all the guns you prefer to own. Why should I loose any of MY rights. I buy guns to hunt with I don't own an AR but I do own hunting rifles that will take large mags. I don't want anyone close to Fn with my rights. I also don't believe it will happen now. I am torn over suporting the NRA but do believe without them I would have already lost some of my rights and it pisses me off. Problem is the NRA is the only game in town definding my gun rights with any balls.

well thats great that you can form that opinion over the internet towards someone you have never met... the FBI/NICS doesnt say the same as you however...

i have owned many "assault" weapons as you call them, and not once have i every thought about, or attempted to hurt anyone with any of them... why do you think i should be punnished because of someone else?

why do i need them? why do the police need them?... i WANT them because i enjoy shooting them, i enjoy the history about them, and the operations of them....

what are you gonna tell all the Vets that come back from wars, and want to get into "Military Rifle" shooting competitions? too bad, you cant have them, even if you almost died for this country?

untill the idiots running their mouths about "assault" weapons realize that ANY WEAPON could be an "assault" weapon, you are just screwing with the lives of the good people that enjoy them...

oh, and noone is gonna take my hatchets away... how would i cut wood?

Illahee's point is well-taken and Red-Hook proves it. Everyone agrees that guns shouldn't be in the "wrong hands" but who gets to make that call? Most of us would agree that Red Hook shows a continued pattern or questionable decisions and general lack of foresight. If he did something stupid with a gun and was involved in firearm accident that injured himself or someone else (I'm not implying maliciousness), none of us would be surprised and many would say that he probably shouldn't have had one to begin with.

Naturally, the person that is forced from being a gun owner (Red Hook in this case) is going to claim an invasion of their rights.

have we met?

you seem to know so much about me and what ive done and do...

ive been shooting guns since i was probably 4 years old... ive been shooting trap since i was 7 years old...

i have owned everything from "assault" weapons to lever action Marlins...

with the exception of a couple guns that i bought from friends, i have purchased every single one of the guns i have owned from stores, and walked right out with them the same day i went in... i have never been denied a rifle, nor will i ever expect to be denied.. i have never been charged with a felony, IE Domestic Violence, Assault, Attempted Murder, ect... i have never been to jail or arrested for anything...

i have put alot of time honing my skills and being versed with the weapons i own/owned, and shoot... i have 2 true hobbies in this world, 1 is fishing, the other is guns... its what i do, and im really really good at it...

and finally, i really dont care what you think i should and shouldnt be allowed to own/do... you DONT know me... you form an opinion about me after reading little white letters on a black screen, then spew a bunch of garbage nonsense opinions about someone you know jack sh!t about.... you should probably be kept from doing something as well...

Any day that you hear a DEVO song that isn't "Whip It!" is a good day.

Fish on...

Todd

put your money where your mouth is Sheila...

and ill be back helping friends with their businesses in a month or so just like always... i dont need to "job hunt", people call me... nice try tho... when i have the opportunity to do a full time gig in my main field (carpentry), its only going to take 1 call, and that will be the end of that....

but thats not what we are talking about here....

im not "full of myself", im "fully confident" in my skills, and will put them up any day of the week... i have challenged anyone that has said otherwise to go for a day at the range, and see just how confident they are..... guess how many have taken the opportunity to shut ol redhook up for good?


ZERO...

put your money where your mouth is maam, shut me up if you are so confident in your own skill set that you think you can just show me whats what without ever having laid eyes on me...

whered you go Sheila? now you say stuff then delete it? wouldnt be the first time people have done that to me... wuss...

Yer so full of yourself.....too bad your job hunting skills are so abysmal.

there ya are Wanda... keep up or shut up...