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I believe your reference to "it" is the CR correct? I imagine that all commercial in-river fisheries are not based on an ESA take quota correct? None of my above posts have been about any specific fishery.

My larger point KD is why do we focus our energy on selective vs. non-selective when the ESA policies and regulations (or lack of adherance to) seem to be a major obstacle to recovery?

Many of you seem to think that eliminating the non-treaty commercial fishing industry will solve these problems. As someone already noted above, do you think that treaty tribes are just going to let those fish available for harvest swim upstream? Especially when there is a market for the product? IMO you guys are dreaming. [/quote]

I definitely understand, and share, in the frustration factor.
My take on the situation is that there are too many moving parts, relating to ESA fish, treaty tribes, the states, and all the habitat/dam/carrying capacity issues (and whatever I missed) and we are not going to solve this in the near future.

I think it will take a 50 year effort, at least, to revisit the way we handle distressed fish populations (ESA) , the Boldt decision, the state directed mandates, because right now it is all driven by competing interests with no particular overall strategy. As it stands now, the predictable outcome is more of the same. We may not change these elements in the near future but this patchwork piece is wearing out, it's broken, and we need to start over.

Change the way ESA fish are handled. If using more selective methods allows more harvest, so be it, just allow reccies their share. And let more ESA fish survive to restore the runs.

Change the dams to allow more fish to do their spawny thing.

Put a set back on the rivers and jump over creeks so they do the filtering, shade, and habitat part the way designed.

Change the way treaty rights are fulfilled to be in keeping with current times. We don't live in 1850. Mono nets and casinos are modern items.

Change the management strategy of the states to have healthy water eco systems, not just lots of hatchery fish to catch, but healthy systems.

(FWIW, I don't think hatchery fish are as much a problem as some here think, I think the fish would figure it all out just fine. These river basins have been repopulated a number of times after natural disasters, e.g. Missoula floods, so I think they could figure it out again if we don't kill them all first)

Thanks,