Smalma - apology accepted but not needed. Your point was not lost on me when I killed that fish and it is not lost on me now.

Bruce - One of the things that would help your arguement would be if you got your facts straight. R.P. "Van" Van Gytenbeek introduced this motion, not Shiosaki. It's up to you, but if you want folks to look at your opinions favorably, you should try to have your facts correct.