I think yes to fog. That said staff did not do the Commission any favors by not clearly identifying the difficulties and when they did is was only for the present. The lack of candor around what will exist in 2020 and what conservation means for the future. Believe me you will not like 2020 and 2024 to 2028 running off the natural spawn productivity ( not redds ) has the potential of being a disaster if we do not address it now, which we will not.